Lost - Season 5 (ABC) - Discussion - YOU MUST USE SPOILER TAGS

[Sifer]

Desmond wasn't supposed to go back to the island with the others, was he?

[Longy]

I think Desmond does have to go back as he was one of the people that left. Penny and charlie jr might go too

[Sifer]

Locke and that leg eh?

[Longy]

Locke and that leg eh?
I think the leg will be the reason for his death somehow.

[chabazite]

@ Daniel is the Psycho guy from Charlottes youth : Hmm, we saw Charlotte die... very sad. I liked the couple of faraday and her. But Faraday was the Psycho that told her to never come back to the island or she'll die ? Guess where he took his info from. So at the start of the season we see Daniel in Dharma time. I think one of the things he did there where try to warn Charlotte (quite against the rules and his best of his knowlegde - but damn, he loves her and he gives a shit). But when he realises that this is exactly the way it went before he goes to the frozen donkey wheel chamber and tries to end time travel for good. No Flashes, no dead sweetheart.
Does this make sense ?


i think it might be possible that this is/will be another option to stop the time traveling. And Faraday accidentally runs into Charlotte from the past on his way to the wheel chamber or maybe he takes her off the island... because the only rule is that nothing can happen that didnt already happen and she actually did get off the island. Like the thing that happened to Jin and Rousseau. He actually saved her life because he kept her from going down there. and so only the others were infected and died... it's an interesting view of the time continuum :P
yes. they were a lovely couple but she had to die because she didnt have any serious weight for the story. i am still wondering why bernard and his wife are still alive eg :D aaaand maybe- to enrich the pool of theories about upcoming events- penny will die too. in season 4 ben told her father that he will have to kill penny. this could change desmond's figure intensively... i am wondering when this will come up again!
yay! i just love this show! it is so creative and great! (sorry for any spelling mistakes- me se no native speaker)
SACRILEGE!!! Rose and Bernard are the only truly realistic couple on the whole show. They rock the heart and soul aspect and Rose has a tremendous grounding effect. And don't forget how she was also healed by the Island...which makes her key, imo. They barely get any screen time...don't deny them their rightful spots on the Island at least.

EXCELLENT point about Jin and Danielle!

[chabazite]

Desmond wasn't supposed to go back to the island with the others, was he?
I used to be under the impression that he did. BUT now, with all this talk about him being different and shit, I'm not so sure he will have to go back. Perhaps he was able to escape the pull of the Island. I feel the same way about Walt...used to think he was gonna have to go back also, but now I'm thinking because he was also different, and left under different circumstances, that he was also able to get away from the Island. Now, I'm not under the impression that means they both won't go back eventually on their own accord, but I'm not so sure I think Des HAS to go back anymore.

[bigsexywzp]

I'm not so sure about Desmond. I somehow think he's part of the reason why they have to go back to the island. While I'm still unsure in regards to Walt needing to go back as well, I think he's going to have to go as well. I think there's something about Desmond and Walt that the island "needs". Not so much everyone else, they just have to be there to save their friends, but the island NEEDS Walt and Desmond, because of some kind of "attunement" or symbiotic relationship they have with it. Apparently Walt can be wherever he needs to be and Desmond can see whatever future events he needs to see. It hasn't been explained whether it's some kind of real powers or something the island allows them to do, so this leads me to think the island has some sort of need for both of them. That's just my speculation of course. I haven't seen the previews for the next episode, so I don't really know what to expect.

[chabazite]

I'm not so sure about Desmond. I somehow think he's part of the reason why they have to go back to the island. While I'm still unsure in regards to Walt needing to go back as well, I think he's going to have to go as well. I think there's something about Desmond and Walt that the island "needs". Not so much everyone else, they just have to be there to save their friends, but the island NEEDS Walt and Desmond, because of some kind of "attunement" or symbiotic relationship they have with it. Apparently Walt can be wherever he needs to be and Desmond can see whatever future events he needs to see. It hasn't been explained whether it's some kind of real powers or something the island allows them to do, so this leads me to think the island has some sort of need for both of them. That's just my speculation of course. I haven't seen the previews for the next episode, so I don't really know what to expect.
I actually completely agree with you. I do think that Walt and Desmond are destined to be back and a part of the Island. I'm just not so sure their going back is going to be a part of what the Island needs to make everyone's noses stop bleeding and brains cease exploding. I think their roles are larger than that.

[Sifer]

If you think about it, the most logical explanation to this whole time travel thing would be for the main characters to be time traveling alone. Because, they're seeing events that happen on the island at random times. But, for the people in the time they travel to, the passage of time is still normal. So, people like Richard Alpert who aren't flashing through time with the main characters at the moment are probably still experiencing time like they usually would.
In other words, if the main characters suicide, then there is no real problem with the island?

[Longy]

If you think about it, the most logical explanation to this whole time travel thing would be for the main characters to be time traveling alone. Because, they're seeing events that happen on the island at random times. But, for the people in the time they travel to, the passage of time is still normal. So, people like Richard Alpert who aren't flashing through time with the main characters at the moment are probably still experiencing time like they usually would.
In other words, if the main characters suicide, then there is no real problem with the island?
Thats the main question really. What will happen to the island if they don't return?

[blue_falcon]

If you think about it, the most logical explanation to this whole time travel thing would be for the main characters to be time traveling alone. Because, they're seeing events that happen on the island at random times. But, for the people in the time they travel to, the passage of time is still normal. So, people like Richard Alpert who aren't flashing through time with the main characters at the moment are probably still experiencing time like they usually would.
In other words, if the main characters suicide, then there is no real problem with the island?
Thats the main question really. What will happen to the island if they don't return?
the volcano will explode (upper)

[Longy]

If you think about it, the most logical explanation to this whole time travel thing would be for the main characters to be time traveling alone. Because, they're seeing events that happen on the island at random times. But, for the people in the time they travel to, the passage of time is still normal. So, people like Richard Alpert who aren't flashing through time with the main characters at the moment are probably still experiencing time like they usually would.
In other words, if the main characters suicide, then there is no real problem with the island?
Thats the main question really. What will happen to the island if they don't return?
the volcano will explode (upper)
Kaboom! :lol:

[chabazite]

http://i33.tinypic.com/e9xjeh.jpg

[chabazite]

Kelvin Inman (Clancy Brown) makes Mr. Krab's voice on Spongebob Squarepants. I think of torture, sucicide, and the Dharma Initiative everytime my kid watches it.

[chabazite]

This promo makes me tingle...and it is a PROMO OF NEXT WEEK'S EPISODE SO IT IS A S.P.O.I.L.E.R.

spoiler---> http://lostspoilers-odi.blogspot.com/2009/02/episode-5x06-316-canadian-promo.html <---spoiler

[Lagwastan]

Kelvin Inman (Clancy Brown) makes Mr. Krab's voice on Spongebob Squarepants. I think of torture, sucicide, and the Dharma Initiative everytime my kid watches it.
omfg


that is sooooo awesome



i love spongebob woo!

[Sifer]

So... Hurley; insane, or gifted? He saw a long dead person, imagined her. But he was also for some reason needed to find the cabin. Is he like that Miles guy? Can he speak to the dead? Would make sense, seeing how Jacobs men all seem to be 'undead'.

[chabazite]

So... Hurley; insane, or gifted? He saw a long dead person, imagined her. But he was also for some reason needed to find the cabin. Is he like that Miles guy? Can he speak to the dead? Would make sense, seeing how Jacobs men all seem to be 'undead'.
I think Hurley IS communicating with the dead people, like Miles but different. Who's to say that Dave fucker was really imaginary? That was just what they wanted us to think, but they left it ambiguous enough to keep the questions there. These dead people are always trying to tell him something he needs to know, like Ana Lucia telling him to stay out of jail, and like always he does the opposite of what he is told. Now, do I think these dead people are coming to Hurley as a part of the Island? Well, of course. But can he see OTHER dead people? We just don't know that because they haven't told us. He knows these peole are dead, and we only really are concerned with them. I really do think the state of death is different on the Island.

[mybrainhurts]

I think a big part of the whole "seeing dead people" has alot to do with peoples state of mind/lucidity...alot of the times when characters have seen ghosts/supposed dead people they have been sleeping/dreaming or have an altered mind state. If you remember back to when Jack had to have his appendix out he really wanted to stay awake, possibly he had realised that the island was trying to communicate with him....again when Locke sees Horace, he had been sleeping. This could be a possible explanation as to why Hurley sees so many ghosts...if he is a bit mental it could be easier for the island/ghosts to communicate with him. I'm not saying that this theory is water tight, there is no way i can recall all the times people have seen dead folk :) ...like Chabazite said things are still too ambiguous!

[chabazite]

I think a big part of the whole "seeing dead people" has alot to do with peoples state of mind/lucidity...alot of the times when characters have seen ghosts/supposed dead people they have been sleeping/dreaming or have an altered mind state. If you remember back to when Jack had to have his appendix out he really wanted to stay awake, possibly he had realised that the island was trying to communicate with him....again when Locke sees Horace, he had been sleeping. This could be a possible explanation as to why Hurley sees so many ghosts...if he is a bit mental it could be easier for the island/ghosts to communicate with him. I'm not saying that this theory is water tight, there is no way i can recall all the times people have seen dead folk :) ...like Chabazite said things are still too ambiguous!
There are several types of dead people "sightings' we've seen. We got the Boone, Horace, Yemi...dream/trance visitations. There are the strange reanimated corpse sightings we've seen from Yemi and Christian. There are the ones like Libby appearing to Michael and the time Mr. Eko saw the men he killed and the altar boy right before he died. We got the Walt visions...and he is not dead, so he really doesn't count, but it ain't insignificant that a couple of people have seen visions of Walt...and I don't think all of them are the same type of occurances. Finally, you have the "dead but here" sightings Hurley is having. Charlie, Ana Lucia, Mr. Eko. So, in a way you have a point about the altered states. Michael wasn't really in an altered state when he saw Libby on the freighter, but he was highly stressed and thought he was about to blow the fuck up. The only exception I see IS Hurley. He is just chilling in his room with Mr. Eko, sees Charlie when he just strolls into a gas station and when he is relaxed, painting outside the hospital, and the time he saw Ana Lucia, he made it clear he hadn't been taking his meds...so all of these sightings seem very different to me from the ones Locke, Jack, Eko, Shannon, Claire, etc have had.

[Sifer]

Does anyone fancy Hurley as a summoner of sorts? He was told about a cabin, thought he was imagining it but it ended up being real?

[mybrainhurts]

Chabazite you summed that up superbly! I thank you for saving my brain this evening :) What I meant about Hurley being a bit different to the rest is that he originally went into a mental asylum because of the accident (the balcony collapsing?...blaming his weight) which makes me think that the stress and shame made him go a bit nuts...therefore making him more open to the island, perhaps if he hadn't have gone through that mental anguish in the past he wouldn't be so susceptable now.

[chabazite]

Does anyone fancy Hurley as a summoner of sorts? He was told about a cabin, thought he was imagining it but it ended up being real?
That right there is a good example of my entire philosophy of Hurley and how he is portrayed on the show..."good ol' funtime Hurley." We've been led to believe he is the comic relief and is crazy, therefore he can't be taken seriously. And why is it he could see the cabin? Because he, Locke, and Ben were the craziest. No, I don't think Hurley is crazy at all, I think he is just in tune to shit and that makes him think he is crazy. I do however, think Locke is off his rocker and so is Ben. But I think the cabin appears to whoever it wants to and to who the Island can communicate with. Remember, Hurley wasn't told about the cabin until AFTER he had already seen it...and before he knew it existed.

Walt is who I see as a summoner, but Walt and Hurley seem similar in a way, and I really wouldn't be surprised to find out he has that ability.



Chabazite you summed that up superbly! I thank you for saving my brain this evening :) What I meant about Hurley being a bit different to the rest is that he originally went into a mental asylum because of the accident (the balcony collapsing?...blaming his weight) which makes me think that the stress and shame made him go a bit nuts...therefore making him more open to the island, perhaps if he hadn't have gone through that mental anguish in the past he wouldn't be so susceptable now.
I'm glad I could help your brain hurt a little less. I really truly think Hurley's crazy is not as crazy as we are led to believe. I think the Island has had a hold of him for a long time. I mean, he just HAPPENED to wind up in the very same mental hospital John Locke's mother was in, Libby was in, and Leonard "the Numbers" guy played Connect Four in? But I also think that it is very possible his mental breakdown opened him up to things he wouldn't have been open to before, but I don't think he is "seeing things", and I think his part in this is huge.

[Sifer]

Just had another thought... Could Locke be an undead trapped inside living flesh? Everybody on the plane survived the crash, and deaths only begun to happen afterwards. We know that the "undead" exist in the Lost universe. Now consider Claire's sudden disappearance last season, then her reappearance as an undead in the cabin. Were all the Losties half-dead when they crashed? Did Claire simply just cross the border? Because, there is still no proper explanation as to how everybody managed to survive that crash. Maybe they're like the other undead, only still in their own bodies? Would definitely explain Locke's sudden healing. Also, does anybody remember how Jack's father was missing from the *closed* coffin? So far we've only seen the ghost-like version of him, but could that body still be alive and breathing on another part of the island?

Having said that, this would make Jin a necrophiliac. So hopefully not.

[Lagwastan]

Aren't we suppose to be using spoiler tags?

In any event, the writers have longed joked about season 7 being a Zombie Season, but of course, there is no season 7.... but perhaps we can still have some kind of zombies? i dunno...

[Sifer]

Spoiler tags for older seasons? Don't think so... (worry)

[Lagwastan]

Spoiler tags for older seasons? Don't think so... (worry)
I could be wrong but I thought we were suppose to use them for pretty much everything because some mods or admins hadn't seen them yet and might, but certainly don't go by my word alone cause I have a terrible memory

[chabazite]

Just had another thought... Could Locke be an undead trapped inside living flesh? Everybody on the plane survived the crash, and deaths only begun to happen afterwards. We know that the "undead" exist in the Lost universe. Now consider Claire's sudden disappearance last season, then her reappearance as an undead in the cabin. Were all the Losties half-dead when they crashed? Did Claire simply just cross the border? Because, there is still no proper explanation as to how everybody managed to survive that crash. Maybe they're like the other undead, only still in their own bodies? Would definitely explain Locke's sudden healing. Also, does anybody remember how Jack's father was missing from the *closed* coffin? So far we've only seen the ghost-like version of him, but could that body still be alive and breathing on another part of the island?

Having said that, this would make Jin a necrophiliac. So hopefully not.
Thing we always have to remember about living and dead characters is that first off, there are certain reasons the Island may need a particular person dead. I don't know what those reasons are, but that seems somewhat obvious. Secondly, it doesn't matter what they do or what happens to them, if the Island needs them or wants them alive, they ain't gonna die. That's all there is to it and it basically explains away the surprising number of crash survivors that survived. Also remember that Locke is not the only person who was healed when they got to the Island. And not only was Christian missing from the coffin when Jack was chasing him all around, Yemi's body was also not in the plane when Eko looked for it right before HE wound up chasing a fully animated Yemi all around to his death. Also keep in mind that Jack went over the side of a cliff when he was running around after his daddy and most likely woulda fallen if it weren't for Locke.

[chabazite]

Spoiler tags for older seasons? Don't think so... (worry)
I could be wrong but I thought we were suppose to use them for pretty much everything because some mods or admins hadn't seen them yet and might, but certainly don't go by my word alone cause I have a terrible memory
Just the current season, I was under the impression. I do wonder how long into the season I need to use spoiler tags for the first few episodes of season 5 though.

[chabazite]

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[NaranjaRa]

Go here, purty please: http://www.thefourtoedfoot.com/
aww thanks for pimpin mah shit

:h:

its also on darkUFO @ http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2009/02/episode-5x05-funeral-party-by-anna.html

[chabazite]

Does anyone else think the voice coming through that is counting out the numbers over Danielle's and the French folk's receiver sounds an awful lot like Hurley? Or is it just me? I could be wrong. I always thought the voice that dream Claire told Kate not to "dare bring him back" used, the voice was not Claire's but Kate's, and nobody seems to agree with me on that (though I still think that). Anyway, consensus? Does the voice coming over the Frenchy's reciever sound familiar?

[Sifer]

Could be Jin?

[chabazite]

Could be Jin?
I (heart) Jin

[chabazite]

http://i40.tinypic.com/av0xlf.jpg

[NaranjaRa]

i've heard people say the voice is jack as well. i dunno. could be either. it's hard to tell.


that said, i was watching lockdown last night. one of my favorites of the series tbh. one thing that still rests in my head that i wonder is
how much did ben know about the hatch? did he know that if he didnt push the button, it would blow up? was he the one who made the over-ride happen so that locke would indeed see the blast door map?

also remember back in season 2, ben wasnt even intended to be a main character, so i wonder if we will ever get this answered.

[chabazite]

i've heard people say the voice is jack as well. i dunno. could be either. it's hard to tell.


that said, i was watching lockdown last night. one of my favorites of the series tbh. one thing that still rests in my head that i wonder is
how much did ben know about the hatch? did he know that if he didnt push the button, it would blow up? was he the one who made the over-ride happen so that locke would indeed see the blast door map?

also remember back in season 2, ben wasnt even intended to be a main character, so i wonder if we will ever get this answered.
I've thought about the Ben in the Hatch thing as well, and I've kinda been under the impression that Ben not only knew Desmond was down there, but was perfectly happy with it because that way he didn't have to worry about the button. I have assumed he knew all about the workings of the Swan. I also assumed he caused the over-ride. We saw him and Juliet in the Pearl monitoring the Swan, and I was just under the impression that wasn't the first time he had been there for whatever reason. While it had looking like Charles Widmore set Desmond up to wind up on the Island, all this new association that Ben has with Eloise Hawking makes me wonder if maybe THEY didn't have something to do with Desmond winding up in the Hatch after all.

Sometimes I think they are lying about Ben's character. I figure they had some idea of where they were going with the Others, and if anything they altered Ben's part to fit the role. But I guess that all goes back to the "can we trust the powers that be" question. Didn't they at one time also say time travel wouldn't be involved?

[RokyRakoon]

Pretty much each spoiler is during each commercial break except the first one is right after the opening sequence... still there was a break there... I must have missed one though cause I swear there were more commercials then that.... anyhow... this is this week for me....

What a cool way to start out the episode with them already on the island!!!

So how did Faraday's mom know that she needed to save him without being told so by Desmond and what was the point then in Faraday even sending Desmond to deliver a message to Eloise Hawkings if she was already doing what he needed her to do; but more importantly like I said is how the hell did she know already???

Ben is all fucked up!! what happen to him... crazy... and that girl is kinda acting weird at the meat place... I don't trust her for some reason, but maybe I'm reading too much into it... WTF did Kate do with Aaron? I thought in the beginning when Jack woke up, he had part of Locke's letter in his hand but he just put it in the coffin... oh yeah... as Jack was putting on his shoes did anyone else get a picture in your head of when they first landed on the Island and Locke was sitting on the ground and tied his shoes... they looked a lot like that! .... They are at the airport now and a guy just told Jack he is sorry... he looks familiar like he was in one of Sayid's back story... Hurly is there WTF and Saide with the cops!!

My head hurts now.... Frank the pilot... aaahhh! Too many commercials I think... that was always the problem with lost. It's just creepy that they're all on the same plane again... what's up with Hurley and who told him to be on that flight? Probably Charles Whitmore... Where is Desmond; he was never on the original flight though... but neither was Ben... and wtf is with him? And how is Sayid arrested and the guy why I think is familiar is sitting with them it looks like and not with the rest of the plane... I guess I know how Jack got the letter back; he just can't get rid of that thing... Coming on soon... almost over

Well there you have it... another week to wait... wow... Jin is dressed all Dharma??? So they're back in time... probably they got caught in the time thing and everyone from the plane was just dispersed or whatever all over the Island... why? I don't know anymore... Best line of the night goes to Hurley again.... "Dude, you should probably buckle up..." Yeah... funny. I know that dude from somewhere. Scenes from next week look promising; Looks like Locke will be alive again on the Island; looked like he was talking to that cop chick that has Sayid... unless it's before; looks like we'll also get to see his death; I just hope they spend some time on the Island still cause I have to see wtf is going on with Jin... now we've seen two people from that party; Jin and Faraday; both in Dharma uniform... and I think Jin is driving the same van that Hurley drove and Ben killed his dad in; unless that tape is standard issue in every Dharma van... who knows? They must have been trapped there for some time in the same time and had to blend in to the Dharma crew to survive; but then I wonder if they are not up to something like with how Faraday was so close to the digging that one time.... So much stuff; it just gets better and worse at the same time.... I love it!!! Anyhow.. can't wait till next week... I know what you mean whoever it was that said that you need someone to talk to when watching this... it sucks to watch it alone!!! peace Roky

What an awesome episode... I wish I could go to that Island and jump forward in time a week so I could watch next weeks episode right away LOL... this show just wins.... peace .....RokyRakoon

[tev2]

I hope Skeli peruses this thread because did you see the magazine Hurly looked at just before the flight? It had the skull in an astronaut's suit, Skeli's old avvie. Where'd you get that from Skeli?

This show is great :P

oh, and theories
My friends suggested Ben killed Penny (that's why he was on the phone on a wharf covered in blood). Remember him saying he would kill Whitmore's daughter??? And then I believe he framed Sayid, getting him on the plane as well

[blue_falcon]

please use tags guys, I don't want Phara (admin) shutting it down again.

[blue_falcon]

What a great ep! Great opener too, reminiscent to the pilot with the opening shot on Jack's eye.

Jin's with Dharma?

Who beat up Ben? Was it Widmore? Desmond? Hurley?

An interesting thought... if they all are back in time with the left behind losties in DHARMA time, does this mean Big Ben is going to have a chance to meet Little Ben? Maybe tell him everything that's going to happen, this is why he's always one step ahead?

Who's the two newcomers on the Ajira flights? The marshal with Sayid and the man who says sorry to Jack? I like the new guy, he seems like a character with a lot of potential. The air marshall? not so much. How did Sayid get in trouble? Remember last episode with Ben's lawyer? He must have negotiated Sayid's release so he could fly.

What did Locke's note say to Jack?

Who did Kate give Aaron to?

Yaay! Frank! - a beard!

/editing

[tev2]

The note said "Jack, I wish you had believed in me. JL

[Mr. 62]

John Locke = Jesus

truestory

[RokyRakoon]

How do you use the "spoiler for 316 tags....?

[tev2]

type [spoiler=316] and the normal end tag

[blue_falcon]

John Locke = Jesus

truestory
agreed

roky:

[RokyRakoon]

thanks

[blue_falcon]

The note said "Jack, I wish you had believed in me. JL
that was only the end of the note? I thought

[tev2]

The note said "Jack, I wish you had believed in me. JL
that was only the end of the note? I thought
no that was definitely the whole thing... unless he wrote something on the back :P

[RokyRakoon]

The note said "Jack, I wish you had believed in me. JL
that was only the end of the note? I thought
no that was definitely the whole thing... unless he wrote something on the back :P
That was definitely the whole letter... at least that was the way I took it; it didn't look like there was anything else

[Longy]

(oh)

[blue_falcon]

wherezies is every1? congregate losties!

[goodb0y]

Honestly this show makes my head implode. They ended up going to the island in the past? and Jin is dharma? WTF? I thought ben got all bloody to bring saeed back like frame him but as you guys pointed out it could have been kiling penny! oh shit. "I wish you believed me" does he mean that i wish you believed me when i said you shouldnt leave the island?
and the new guy does look VERY FAMILIAR i think he was on someones flashback, most likely saeeds as pointed out.
I just hope Desmond comes back to the island :).

Finally, the funniest quote of the episode:
Jack: How can you read? Ben: My mother taught me. you gotta love ben

[bigsexywzp]

Very, very offtopic (I haven't watched the new episode yet so I can't comment on it).

My wife, who isn't a Lost watcher by any means, sent me a link from her forums. She's an avid coupon user, and someone mentioned that it's cool that even a celebrity was willing to fight for a single $1.00 off coupon. She sent me the link via Skype, and I skimmed through it, not really paying attention. Something in the article caught my eye. I went through it again and I realized that the blog belonged to none other than Hugo "Hurley" Reyes himself, Jorge Garcia.

I haven't checked it all out to see if there were any "secrets" divulged, but I figured it might be a treat for other Lost fans like myself, who are interested in more than just the storyline of the show. I'm putting it here, simply because it's the only place I thought it would fit and I thought it was kinda cool.

http://dispatchesfromtheisland.blogspot.com/2009/02/well-this-should-cover-me-for-about.html

If this doesn't belong here for any reason, feel free to disregard it and remove it.

[goodb0y]

Oh yeah and i forgot
Kate is such a slut. Hi jack, I disposed of Aaron but hey lets have sex!

[ninjaslave]

nother great ep, Jins sign off was epic. but i do have a tiff with showing things twice. In a crazy sorta way it all kinda makes sense, i guess, cept for Jin maybe working for dharma, they probably all do, the DHARMA initiative, a crazy bunch of coo-coos if you ask me.

That was a lot of blood on Bens face, where the hell did all that blood come from? Also i really don't know why they showed that clip at the beginning of the season.

Desomd is God and Locke is Jesus ; - X

Lipidas - "I take it we are not going to Guam"

Big ben is going to meet little ben and have a charlotte

are these newbies going be like wtf hard?

and they should have a full ep. of jin explaining to kate, jack, and hurley what is going on.

[bigsexywzp]

I've got nothing. I'm completely dumbfounded. Something tells me Locke is going to be a "spirit guide" of sorts to everyone on the island, much as Christian was to him. I still want to know what's going to happen with Desmond though. He can't just walk away. Something's got to bring him back...

[goodb0y]

I've got nothing. I'm completely dumbfounded. Something tells me Locke is going to be a "spirit guide" of sorts to everyone on the island, much as Christian was to him. I still want to know what's going to happen with Desmond though. He can't just walk away. Something's got to bring him back...

No Desmond cant just walk away because the "island is not done with him". But the question is, is he going to go back to the island? or do work for the island, off the island?

[M(B41n3]

What an episode...

It blew my mind when Ben left the church saying the keep a promise to an old friend thing...
I stood up from my seat whispering "He saw Desmond. He knows. HE KNOWS. OMFG he is going to kill Penny !!"

What I think why the O6 are there :

Jack, Sun : They want to go.

Kate : I think Sun has to do something with the vanishing of Aaron. She talked alot about a new friend for Yi Jeong (spelling ?) and after she learned that the chances are better the more 815ers are in the plane she "convinced" Kate to go, with Aaron in safety of Paik people ...

Hurley and Sayid : So, Sayid is in cuffs and Hurley is free. For me there is just one conclusion : Sayid confessed that he was killing the guys, setting Hurley free. Then Bens laywer did the transport thing. Perhaps they want to fly him back to his homeland, with a stop in Guam.

Holy shit. Ben covered in blood and with an injured arm. Did he kill Penny ? Desmond and or Penny sure did fight back. The Question is : Has he succeded ?
A sad theory : He did kill Penny. That has 2 purposes :
1. He kept his promise to Whidmore and got his revenge.
2. Desmond will hunt him down for this and so have to come to the island. This is what Ben wanted anyway. He doesnt care about the reason why.

I loved the plane scene. Now Sayid is in cuffs, not Kate, but still, we have our escortet prisoner on the flight (pun intended). This was awesome. Just as similar as possible to the first time. Hurley and Ben delivered funny one liners, And finally the Captain is Frank. Hell yeah, destiny sure calls.

[Lagwastan]

preview for next week spoiler, so dont read on if you didn't watch the preview for next week....


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tra la la, stop reading if you dont want to know....


LOCKE IS THE FOUR TOED STATUEEEEEEEE, but i think its a red herring, but the preview wants us to think that clearly

[astolfo]

Tonight's was the best episode in a long time.
So much caught up finally!

[M(B41n3]

I think its a red hering as Lagwastan said. Not even a good one...
Johns injury is on the left foot when we look at him. The four toed statue is a right foot when we look at it
http://tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:MdcT4yc-WSldIM:http://tv.beloblog.com/archives/Lost%2520foot%2520statue.jpg
So, Locke loses another toe, or the builders mixed something up.
On the statue foot it doesnt look like as it was five toes once, but four. So unless the builders didnt idealise it and make it the wrong foot, it isnt a John Locke statue.
Anyway, thats my opinion.

[M(B41n3]

On a side note... THIS is the John Locke statue...
http://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr244/mcb41n3/Johnlocke.png
You cant see the number of toes exactly from that angle tho...
;)

[chabazite]

Jeez...you people are nuts...I love you all!

Don't have a lot of time to rehash anything right this minute but The reason that new guy looks so familiar is because he's been in every movie that requires middle eastern actors since "Three Kings". He's never been in an episode of LOST before...he is a new character, along with the girl from the Lone Gunman that was sitting with Sayid. They are both exquisitely beautiful and I am very interested in what their parts will be.

Fuck yeah, Frank, fuck yeah.

Is there something different about the kids involved in all this (other than what we already know)? WHY is Aaron gone? Why isn't Walt on the plane if they need to recreate crash conditions? Ji Yeon has to grow up without either of her parents? I would assume Sun wouldn't want to leave her little girl anywhere near her father since she hates him so much. That shit kinda makes no sense to me, tbh. I wonder if Kate dropped Aaron off with Cassidy and Clementine.

Charlotte cannot possibly be Ben's daughter OR Annie. It just doesn't work out. And they are trying really hard to make Ben look like an asshole...wonder if I should believe them or not...they've also been trying hard to make Widmore look like an asshole...so who is the real asshole? I think Ben went to go hunt down Penny and Desmond kicked his fucking ass and pounded his fuckng face. I hope so at least.

I love Jack this episode. I love the throwback to the show opener. He broke my heart with his reaction to Locke's "suicide" and I am rooting Jack all over again. This episode had a strange atmosphere, and was one of the most intense we've seen ever. I wish both times we saw Kate looking dead that she actually was.

Did the plane get pulled down when Locke turned the wheel that last time? Did it "locke" the Island in to Dharma time? How can that even work?

More later, after I watch it again. Great stuff. I live for this show. Truly.

[KyleB]

IT WAS AN AWESOME EPISODE (sun)

....finally they showed us how the darma people did find the island

and Jin at the end in the darma jacket and the darma bus, great finish...finally they are on the island again, its not good for them to leave

[chabazite]

IT WAS AN AWESOME EPISODE (sun)

....finally they showed us how the darma people did find the island

and Jin at the end in the darma jacket and the darma bus, great finish...finally they are on the island again, its not good for them to leave
Wasn't it nice to finally find out that first off, the Island IS ALWAYS MOVING and second, that there is a Dharma station OFF of it? It was nice to have such substantial questions answered. Man, at the momentum...gtfo LOST

[chabazite]

All the Jin twists and turns and surprises have really paid off from that whole is he dead/making us wait shit. They've really given him some great scenes and he has become my Island favorite

[Munky]

O_O "We're not going to Guam are we" :lol:

[chabazite]

So...what DID happen to the plane? Did it scatter everybody and crash somewhere? Is the Smoke Monster skitting around picking off the extraneous passengers Hurley DIDN'T keep from getting a seat as we ponder? Or did the same thing happen to them that has been happing to the folks on the Island? Did they just...disappear after the flash we saw? Did the plane just get bumpy as it was riding over and then stabilize afterwards? And they just woke up on different parts of the Island 30 years in the past? What happens when big Ben runs into little Ben? Paradox, much?

Wonder if Ben managed to kill Penny. It would make sense that she actually does die and that is what gets Desmond to go back to the Island. Would he leave his kid behind too, like everyone else has?

[chronicpeace]

Poor Des...Ben's just crazy ruthless.

Also, so, since they all landed in the past with Dharma, has everything regulated time-wise and they're all stuck there? I mean, clearly Jin's been stuck there a while if he's made it into the initiative, and Daniel at the beginning of the season was seen working for them. Craaazay.

[chabazite]

Poor Des...Ben's just crazy ruthless.

Also, so, since they all landed in the past with Dharma, has everything regulated time-wise and they're all stuck there? I mean, clearly Jin's been stuck there a while if he's made it into the initiative, and Daniel at the beginning of the season was seen working for them. Craaazay.
I was assuming yes that also...that when Locke turned the wheel they got stuck in that time. What I don't get is if that was going to stop the jumping through time anyway, why does everyone have to go back to "save" everybody? Are they always gonna be stuck 30 years in the past? Does their temporal discomfort still continue until the O6 get back or does that stop now that they have quit jumping around? LOST: answered questions=more questions

[Longy]

They've really raised the bar this season. I think the break definitely helped matters.
So whats next? Now that they're back what happens? Meet up with the rest of the gang and prevent dharma from messing with the power source in the first place?...too easy :) God I love this show.

[chronicpeace]

Poor Des...Ben's just crazy ruthless.

Also, so, since they all landed in the past with Dharma, has everything regulated time-wise and they're all stuck there? I mean, clearly Jin's been stuck there a while if he's made it into the initiative, and Daniel at the beginning of the season was seen working for them. Craaazay.
I was assuming yes that also...that when Locke turned the wheel they got stuck in that time. What I don't get is if that was going to stop the jumping through time anyway, why does everyone have to go back to "save" everybody? Are they always gonna be stuck 30 years in the past? Does their temporal discomfort still continue until the O6 get back or does that stop now that they have quit jumping around? LOST: answered questions=more questions
mmmm and how.

[SpectorCorp]

I just making a leap here. Since there was no evidence of crash so far, it's possible the O6's relationship to the island caused it to pull them towards it. Though the guy that wished Jack condolences seemed irrelevant and Hurley told him to buckle up, seems like he's going to show up.
So he may have been on the island at another time.
That is all pointless if they show burning wreckage in the next ep, but I don't think they will.
It being in the past is intriguing, initially I'd forgotten Jin was still back in time and wondered how he'd gotten the van so perfectly clean. Locke will come back because of the shoes......uh, ok gotta see how thats going to play out.
As always a million questions still but anyone got any theories about Ben's roughing up? Not put my Lost hat on to think about it yet because of I'm hungry. :)

[blue_falcon]

love you Kelli! great theories, I lol'd when you said, "Don't have a lot of time to rehash anything right this minute but..." and I was expecting a few lines and BLAMO! a few paragraphs popped out from inside the spoiler tag.

Like I was saying last night.: FRAAAAAAANKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - w/o a beard. Prob my fav moment of the episode.

As to why they didn't have Walt and Aaron on the plane... I think Mrs. Faraday answered that question when she told Ben, "I told you ALL of them." "That's all I could find on such short notice." "They'll have to do then." They had to recreate the contitions of the crash as best they could. They did, so they all made it back to the island, with only a majority of the original passengers. If ALL of them had come, it would have only made their chances better of being 'captured' by the island.

I have an interesting thought: if there was an ajira airlines beer can in the campsite last episode, who had been drinking it? Was it from one of the losties, or did more of the passengers other than the OC6 get sucked onto the island from the plane?


Did it "locke" the Island in to Dharma time?
xD I think so, and I think they're going to have to figure out how to catch up to the present.

[chabazite]

I just making a leap here. Since there was no evidence of crash so far, it's possible the O6's relationship to the island caused it to pull them towards it. Though the guy that wished Jack condolences seemed irrelevant and Hurley told him to buckle up, seems like he's going to show up.
So he may have been on the island at another time.
That is all pointless if they show burning wreckage in the next ep, but I don't think they will.
It being in the past is intriguing, initially I'd forgotten Jin was still back in time and wondered how he'd gotten the van so perfectly clean. Locke will come back because of the shoes......uh, ok gotta see how thats going to play out.
As always a million questions still but anyone got any theories about Ben's roughing up? Not put my Lost hat on to think about it yet because of I'm hungry. :)
My thoughts on Ben's pulverized face...he killed Penny and Desmond tried to kill him. Or he TRIED to kill Penny and Desmond tried to kill him. Or he killed Penny and she put up a good fight. Or he tried to kill her and she put up a good fight. Or Sayid beat his ass. Or none of the above.

The Locke and the shoes thing don't equate for me yet. I see them trying to tie a whole bunch of the mythology together with all this stuff going on with Locke, and I just don't know what I'm gonna think if all of a sudden he gets up out of that coffin and starts walking around. And how does the coffin get on the Island if the plane doesn't crash on it. Do they teleport from the plane and shit, star trek style? Wouldn't the plane actually have to CRASH to replicate the original scenario as closely as possible?

[chabazite]

love you Kelli! great theories, I lol'd when you said, "Don't have a lot of time to rehash anything right this minute but..." and I was expecting a few lines and BLAMO! a few paragraphs popped out from inside the spoiler tag.
I know...I started and couldn't stop...this shit is b.a.n.a.n.a.s.

[SpectorCorp]

I just making a leap here. Since there was no evidence of crash so far, it's possible the O6's relationship to the island caused it to pull them towards it. Though the guy that wished Jack condolences seemed irrelevant and Hurley told him to buckle up, seems like he's going to show up.
So he may have been on the island at another time.
That is all pointless if they show burning wreckage in the next ep, but I don't think they will.
It being in the past is intriguing, initially I'd forgotten Jin was still back in time and wondered how he'd gotten the van so perfectly clean. Locke will come back because of the shoes......uh, ok gotta see how thats going to play out.
As always a million questions still but anyone got any theories about Ben's roughing up? Not put my Lost hat on to think about it yet because of I'm hungry. :)
My thoughts on Ben's pulverized face...he killed Penny and Desmond tried to kill him. Or he TRIED to kill Penny and Desmond tried to kill him. Or he killed Penny and she put up a good fight. Or he tried to kill her and she put up a good fight. Or Sayid beat his ass. Or none of the above.

The Locke and the shoes thing don't equate for me yet. I see them trying to tie a whole bunch of the mythology together with all this stuff going on with Locke, and I just don't know what I'm gonna think if all of a sudden he gets up out of that coffin and starts walking around. And how does the coffin get on the Island if the plane doesn't crash on it. Do they teleport from the plane and shit, star trek style? Wouldn't the plane actually have to CRASH to replicate the original scenario as closely as possible?
I don't think the plane crashed. There were spirited away or so it seemed. No debris. no recollection of the plane going down.
The Desmond/Penny thing makes sense, but surely there is a connection to Aaron in there. Kate was pretty freaked it, and then just calls Jack all beat up, at what appeared to be a port. I don't think Locke will jump up and walk around. Richard chose Locke for a reason, if you're important the island brings you back. How did Locke's body leave the island in the first place? Damn I love this crazy show. :)

[defango]

I'm still stuck on the hawkings connection with the old that lady reminds me of some unaging god figure. I feel like the Desmond/penny scenario could be something because he was on a dock when he phoned jack. The moment when ben explained the painting to jack also seems to be foreshadowing a new biblical connection. I'm still thinking that all the numbers are references to bible passes. ah la 316, as the episode is called. as far as the plane crashing, I don't think that it did. according to what they were talking about in the lighthouse (lol "light") and how they pushed the "flash" I think they just got spirited away.

[ninjaslave]

So maybe... Ben wasn't supposed to terminate the Dharma initiative in the first place, and the whole point of everything is for the Dharma initiative not to be extinct, but for Ben to die (maybe he'll die because of the whole big ben meeting little ben and pulling a Charlotte), all this talk with i dont think Ben is as bad as he seems is rubbish, that man is the devil, and why people still ask him all the questions is beyond me, i would actually hope that he didnt make it back to the island, but we know he did.

As for the dharma group and present time, are there still hostiles/others, who is there leader, alpirt? whidmore?

The one thing that does baffle me if they are around, the others/hostiles, then wouldn't their time line be all fukered up when and if they do meet the OC6?


ajira air is all over the place man, i think the beer would have to be one of the new losties (new char from the plane), but remember juliet shot 2 in return fire, will that be resolved?

and kate shouldve been dead. the kate and sawyer reunion, barf if you ask me.

I have a very crazy theory about Alpirt as well, he is actually aaron, some other child, or a new char on the flight. saying that, he hasn't aged because in time he hasnt reached an older age as of yet, sorta like he was born and then boom flashed to his age now and then never made it back, which could sorta be what happens to the OC6 if they save the dharma group from Ben, they would just live it out til their time comes again, if it ever does, at their current age.

[Longy]

huh?

[chabazite]

My favorite lines of the night go to Jack for his cynicism and Ben for acting like a child. He is sick.

Jack to Ben: Did you know about this?
Ben: No (yeah right, motherfucker)
Jack to Mrs. Hawking: Is he telling the truth?
Ms. Hawking: Probably not

Jack to Locke: Wherever you are John, you must be laughing your ass off that I'm actually doing this...because this...this is even crazier than you were.

Ben to Jack: What did she say to you Jack?
Jack to Ben: Nothing that matters (I just like that for once Ben is out of the loop and he can't stand it)

Jack: How can you read?
Ben: My mother taught me

Ben to Jack: You tell me Jack. You're the one that got to stay after school with Mrs. Hawking

[Longy]

If Jin is with the dharma initiative then the timeline must be locked otherwise he would have flashed so assuming that the time line is around when Ben killed everyone then...ah i dunno! :)

[Sifer]

Okay, so the characters landed on the Island but are in the same time period as those who were on the Island during those flashes. This pretty much confirms that it was the Island moving through time, with the past coming to the present, and not the other way round, seeing how time was going normally for the Islanders relative to the O6. And now that the Island's been locked into time, we can assume that paradoxes are no longer possible seeing how the Island won't be going back... This should mean that Daniel's already delivered his message to Charlotte, which is entirely possible since they've apparently been around long enough to be working for the Dharma Initiative.

It looks as if the scene where we saw Daniel bump into Doctor whatshisface happened at the same time as this new crash (assuming there is one), seeing how what brought the plane down the first time was Desmond screwing up at his station, which is actually the one that was being built in the time frame the Islanders returned this episode, and if we look back there was supposed to be some kind of "problem", wasn't there? Perhaps this is the reason for the "time window" that the O6 had to get back; they had to make it back during a time when that specific part of the Island was experiencing a problem.

So, the biggest thing left to think about is where the story is now headed. Sifer's thinking that since paradoxes are no longer an issue, maybe the story is now going to be focused around our Losties trying to prevent the Dharma Initiative from screwing things up once the Dharma Initiative figure out that they've jumped into the future. Chances are the Dharma Initiative are going to try and contact Widmore, and launch an attack on the Island again. That might be why the Island "needs" the O6 so badly. The Islanders at the moment won't be able to fit the pieces together without outside information, will they? The Island needs protection, and our Losties are the only people who can help.

Edit: Another thought. If the Dharma Initiative realise that they're now ahead in time, they may well be trying to get back home, possibly erasing the Island altogether?

[Sifer]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Eg7K8tnyPqk/SZW23Hvz5fI/AAAAAAAAByM/WI551vSrSLo/s320/DSCF4682.jpg

From Jorge Garcia's blog. A picture of the cake. But it might be a hint. There's a bag that belongs to Jacob? Was he on the plane or something? Or was he a member of the Dharma Initiative that went rogue? Or something? Or is Sifer getting a little too worked up over a cake?

[ninjaslave]

Why are their no more paradoxes? Big and little Ben pulling a Charlotte is definitely one that i don't see a way around I mean are the flashes the only that cause the nose bleeds, remember when Desmond just left the island he was going through the same ordeal.

[Sifer]

Now that the Island's locked into time, since Locke moved the wheel, the Island won't be experiencing anymore jumps, meaning that whatever's left is exactly as it is. Unless the flashes are still happening, which seems unlikely. Or is it..? :|

[Longy]

you can never be sure. i wouldn't watch it if you could. it aint exactly formulaic like most of the other crap on tv.

[ninjaslave]

but if the island is locked in then how did they jump into the present time, the plane took of present day and they jumped into the dharma time, meaning that their was a time shift, it did get all white and stuff, but maybe only in the air. big and little ben, the others interacting with the oc6, and probably more, are paradoxes indeed, and wtf is goin on with claire?

[Sifer]

Maybe you're right, it's just a theory after all. But what Sifer was saying is that maybe the characters *aren't* flashing through time. Maybe it's the Island that's moving through time. That way it wouldn't matter what time the Islanders were in relative to the Island, since their time relative to the outside world is still the same.

[blue_falcon]

my laptop just broke a foot, like :locke:

[Longy]

Speaking of feet. The collossus of rhodes looks similar to the statue on the island. more lore to explore

http://i38.tinypic.com/2daxekl.jpg

[bigsexywzp]

I think its a red hering as Lagwastan said. Not even a good one...
Johns injury is on the left foot when we look at him. The four toed statue is a right foot when we look at it
http://tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:MdcT4yc-WSldIM:http://tv.beloblog.com/archives/Lost%2520foot%2520statue.jpg
So, Locke loses another toe, or the builders mixed something up.
On the statue foot it doesnt look like as it was five toes once, but four. So unless the builders didnt idealise it and make it the wrong foot, it isnt a John Locke statue.
Anyway, thats my opinion.

Take another look at the foot of that statue. That IS a left foot. The big toe is on the right side of the left foot, but it's on the left side if you're facing it. Just my input on this. SOOOO... it's still feasible that the statue was originally of :locke: .

[M(B41n3]

@bigsexywzp :
I did look quite hard for some time ^^ You misunderstood me. I always meant from our perspective. Therefor I added a "when we look at him/it". When we say the statues foot is a left foot, then we would say lockes injury is on his right foot. So, different perspective, but still the wrong foot.

http://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr244/mcb41n3/lockesfoot.pnghttp://tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:MdcT4yc-WSldIM:http://tv.beloblog.com/archives/Lost%2520foot%2520statue.jpg

[bigsexywzp]

AH. I see now what you meant. I misunderstood at first. Based on the previous statement, when you were talking about Locke's foot vs. the 4 toed foot, I hadn't seen any photo of Locke's injury. I see now that his injury is on OUR left side while the foot statue is on our right. So you were correct in stating that they're on opposite sides. My apologies.

[mybrainhurts]

Ok so i haven't had a chance to read the last few pages concerning 316...so if i'm duplicating other peoples ideas/theories apologies, and feel free to blow my thoughts apart :) (try not to be too harsh) ;) ...oh and sorry for the mini wall of text!

Once again the writers are in fine form, I really like the opening with Jack in a kind of homage to the pilot episode. So these are my thoughts and questions...

The episode title 316, was this refrencing the flight number of the Ajira Airways plane? (that just so happens to be piloted by the awesome Frank Lapedis) or is it a throwback to the biblical text of John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."...i'm kinda drawn to this because of the way in which Locke's note to Jack had said that he wished that Jack had believed in him.

Mrs Hawking...i really get the feeling that she knows what is going to happen in the future, possibly knowing the outcomes of various possibilitys. I'm also wondering who is the "very clever fellow" that built the pendulum? Especially now that we know it was used to find the Island originally, which leads to the start of the Dharma Initiative on the Island...also this person came up with the theory of the Island and how it constantly moves through time and not in a random matter...the series of equations would have had to have been a mathematician/physicist...i'm guessing it's either Daniel Faraday (in some crazy time loop) or Horace.

Hurley's book at the airport...just a quick point about this, it's called Y: The Last Man written by Brian K. Vaughn...who just so happens to be a writer and producer of Lost :)

Who was responsible for getting Hurley, Kate and Sayid onto the Ajira Airways Flight (and also Frank for that matter) ? Part of me is thinking Whidmore but i also wouldn't put it past Ben, we all know how marvellously manipulative he can be! Also whoever it was seems to have wanted to place new people on the island (the guy that Hurley tells to buckle up and the so called marshall that is accompanying Sayid)

How they got to the island...i don't think the plane crashed at all, the light flash that we saw was the same as the radiation that has been previously talked about...possibly (and this is just a big stab in the dark) the reason the button in the swan hatch was pressed 108 minutes was to release the build up of enery/radiation and the island is moving at every point this happened. So when the plane flies over the island (that is still in it's time bubble so is invisible to the rest of the world) the radiation/light some how sucks the O6 back into the time bubble....sorry if this paragraph reads like inane babble! :)

Ben...did he have his ass handed to him by Desmond/Penny if he tried to go after her in revenge for Alex? Could it have been Charles Whidmore? he was the one that gave Desmond Mrs. Hawkings address so he could have known that Ben would be around (he knows he's not on the island seeing as Ben came and threatened him/Penny) also if he knew about Mrs Hawking would he have known about the Lamppost station? and again if he knew about it why didn't he use the station to find the island sooner? I really want to know more about these rules that Ben and Charles talked about.

When are they now...after Locke pushes the donkey wheel and teleports when exactly did the island jump to? and yup i think they are all stuck there for the time being.

[chabazite]

Okay, while I will admit it looks like the plane did NOT crash on the Island, what exactly is going to happen to it when the person flying it - Frank - "flashes" out of the cockpit onto the Island with the rest of our Losties? I just don't think it is very long for the air no matter what.

[mybrainhurts]

Okay, while I will admit it looks like the plane did NOT crash on the Island, what exactly is going to happen to it when the person flying it - Frank - "flashes" out of the cockpit onto the Island with the rest of our Losties? I just don't think it is very long for the air no matter what.
i like your thinking...i have a couple of thoughts, possibly when they 'flash' off the the plane maybe fate has a way of course correcting so in that timeline they were never on the plane. Another thought is that so far we only know for sure that jack, hurley and kate made it to the island, who's to say that the rest have made it to the island yet? (however i'm not sure that this is very likely)

[NaranjaRa]

nice thoughts people!

i am wondering if our new friend from the airport (that offered condolences to jack) isn't an agent of widmore.

also, i still wonder who told hurley about that flight, and why was he carrying an instrument case with him? is it possible that "dead but here" charlie told him?

in regards to the biblical references, i wouldnt get too tied up with those, even though damon mentioned something about reading more of your bible in order to understand LOST better. they have a lot of different mythologies tied up and chocked into this show. it's not about one specific one but ALL of them.

now on the other hand, or shall i say, the other FOOT, there is a theory that has been spinning in my mind that DOES relate to the bible heavily as well as our favorite 4-toed icon. it also relates to my general thoughts about some type of "exotic matter" landing on the island from more cosmic origins...like one landed on that chicken shack awhile ago.

in the book of genesis there is a brief mention of what some scholars have interpreted to be "angels" that come to earth and mate with women. this story is presented in more depth in the gnostic gospels - the books that were left out of the current collection of writings in the bible - specifically in the book of enoch. anyway, the idea is that the purpose of the flood that occurred during noah's days happened in order to wipe away this 'corrupted' bloodline.

what the hell does this have to do with LOST? well, think of a chunk of asteroid as the "angel" from the sky, that comes to earth and lands on the island. something about its makeup actually changes the genetics of the original inhabitants. perhaps it keeps them from aging. perhaps, it causes them to loose a vestigial toe over time. maybe it makes them incredibly smart as well, and they figure out how to control the island's ability to move in spacetime. hence, all of this ancient-looking, yet highly advanced technology such as the donkey wheel itself.

if they time travel, and end up in some past, say through the Sahara vortex, that would put them in arm-reach of the Egyptian and Mesopotamian civilizations. and by all accounts, the islanders might be seen as gods themselves. maybe enough to erect a statue in their honor.

i think we might find out that ALL of our main LOSTies have bloodlines that tie back to the island, and that THIS might be the reason why they are the only ones who can set the whole shebang straight again.

thats just my crazy thought tho. :)

[defango]

nice thoughts people!

i am wondering if our new friend from the airport (that offered condolences to jack) isn't an agent of widmore.

also, i still wonder who told hurley about that flight, and why was he carrying an instrument case with him? is it possible that "dead but here" charlie told him?

in regards to the biblical references, i wouldnt get too tied up with those, even though damon mentioned something about reading more of your bible in order to understand LOST better. they have a lot of different mythologies tied up and chocked into this show. it's not about one specific one but ALL of them.

now on the other hand, or shall i say, the other FOOT, there is a theory that has been spinning in my mind that DOES relate to the bible heavily as well as our favorite 4-toed icon. it also relates to my general thoughts about some type of "exotic matter" landing on the island from more cosmic origins...like one landed on that chicken shack awhile ago.

in the book of genesis there is a brief mention of what some scholars have interpreted to be "angels" that come to earth and mate with women. this story is presented in more depth in the gnostic gospels - the books that were left out of the current collection of writings in the bible - specifically in the book of enoch. anyway, the idea is that the purpose of the flood that occurred during noah's days happened in order to wipe away this 'corrupted' bloodline.

what the hell does this have to do with LOST? well, think of a chunk of asteroid as the "angel" from the sky, that comes to earth and lands on the island. something about its makeup actually changes the genetics of the original inhabitants. perhaps it keeps them from aging. perhaps, it causes them to loose a vestigial toe over time. maybe it makes them incredibly smart as well, and they figure out how to control the island's ability to move in spacetime. hence, all of this ancient-looking, yet highly advanced technology such as the donkey wheel itself.

if they time travel, and end up in some past, say through the Sahara vortex, that would put them in arm-reach of the Egyptian and Mesopotamian civilizations. and by all accounts, the islanders might be seen as gods themselves. maybe enough to erect a statue in their honor.

i think we might find out that ALL of our main LOSTies have bloodlines that tie back to the island, and that THIS might be the reason why they are the only ones who can set the whole shebang straight again.

thats just my crazy thought tho. :)

Damn you hit the bloodline thing right on the head. That was going to be my next guess about our losties. As we have seen more people have come and gone from the island than perilously thought. I remember Alot of people were calling the Island purgatory when the show first started but it has escalated into something different entirely.

[Sifer]

The Temple... Could it be that people who get "transformed" in there lose a toe or something? Bit of a longshit, but hey.

[GINinja]

I read everything and didn't see anything like this mentioned I don't think (have gotten lost in walls of text) but...

If the crash had to be recreated as close as possible blah blah blah, is it possible that someone else was trying to get back to the island the first plane crash?

just a thought. feel free to destroy it...

[Longy]

perhaps, however how could they have known Desmond was gonna fuck up and forget to push the button causing the crash or was he destined to do so?

[ninjaslave]

very possible, but theoretically this is the 1st crash, and on that topic of whether there was a crash anyhow, the plane took off in 2009? but they landed in dharma time (whatever year that is) so where did the debris go? whidmore and planting the plane in the ocean for the oceanic flight comes to mind, but i am still assuming that the oceanic flight crashed into the same time as it took off, therefore debris on the island.

so with that said, although it is possible, i dont think it is likely that the oceanic flight had people trying to get back, rather some call of destiny for them, desmond not pushing the button mixed with their destined path to return to dharma time to solve some problem (im still banking on stopping ben from extincting the dhrama initiative)

although, it could be possible that a dharma folk, or whidmore initally did manipulate them to get on the first flight foreseeing everything including them going back, hence to save the *problem* on the island all along, but if it is whidmore then that is insane manipulating smoething that happened in his past when he is older, perhaps faraday planned it all?

[chabazite]

perhaps, however how could they have known Desmond was gonna fuck up and forget to push the button causing the crash or was he destined to do so?
Well, we have to admit it more than looks like quite a few of our Losties were manipulated or put in place to be on that particular plane and that particular moment. If that means anything other than "coincidence" in all this, I guess we'll eventually find out. And as far as Desmond pushing the button...I get the impression he was never "supposed" to do anything other than stay in the Hatch and push it for the rest of his life. The Hatch was never meant to be infiltrated by Locke and the crew, and the only reason we think 815 crashed because of his failure to push the button is because he TOLD us that...it doesn't make it true. How many other vessels have crashed on the Island that had nothing to do with the button?

[chabazite]

Canadian promos always kick a little more ass than ours. This is for next week's episode, and is what I would consider spoilery even thought it IS a commercial on tv, which in my mind kinda means they WANT you to see it. At least that's what I tell myself:
http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2009/02/episode-507-life-and-death-of-jeremy_21.html

So is that motherfucker REALLY gonna come back to life on the Island? For real, now, what the fuck kind of shit is that? They better make it fucking awesome. I don't doubt they will, but what the fuck is up with that shit?

And it sure does look like somebody really, really wants him dead from all the attempts we see on his life in that one 30 second clip. I include Ben coercing him to hang himself in that category as well.

[Longy]

well the blackrock springs to mind. how did it get so far inland? the island must have moved into its path.

[chabazite]

Oh wait. I guess they'll explain Locke's resurrection the same way they do Christian's, meaning...they won't. Or maybe by Locke's they'll finally explain Christian's. And what will Christian and Claire do when Locke joins their ranks? Will they all hang out in the cramped dark cabin? Will Locke have to have a duel with Christian over Jacob's soul? Does Christian finally get to actually die when Locke arrives? Will they rule the Island together? Is Locke really related to the Shephards? Is Jacob fucking with me?

Yes, the Black Rock, Yemi's plane, Henry Gale's balloon, Danielle's boat, and Desmond's/Libby's boat as well.

[goodb0y]

Okay, while I will admit it looks like the plane did NOT crash on the Island, what exactly is going to happen to it when the person flying it - Frank - "flashes" out of the cockpit onto the Island with the rest of our Losties? I just don't think it is very long for the air no matter what.

Jack: So whats gonna happen to the rest of the people on the plane?
Ben: Who cares :)
My thoughts exactly

[chabazite]

Okay, while I will admit it looks like the plane did NOT crash on the Island, what exactly is going to happen to it when the person flying it - Frank - "flashes" out of the cockpit onto the Island with the rest of our Losties? I just don't think it is very long for the air no matter what.

Jack: So whats gonna happen to the rest of the people on the plane?
Ben: Who cares :)
My thoughts exactly

What was that about karma and good guys?

[Sifer]

Canadian promos always kick a little more ass than ours. This is for next week's episode, and is what I would consider spoilery even thought it IS a commercial on tv, which in my mind kinda means they WANT you to see it. At least that's what I tell myself:
http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2009/02/episode-507-life-and-death-of-jeremy_21.html

So is that motherfucker REALLY gonna come back to life on the Island? For real, now, what the fuck kind of shit is that? They better make it fucking awesome. I don't doubt they will, but what the fuck is up with that shit?

And it sure does look like somebody really, really wants him dead from all the attempts we see on his life in that one 30 second clip. I include Ben coercing him to hang himself in that category as well.
They've had similar ads here in the UK since last year. "You know Locke's dead... Right?" was on a giant billboard for some time. Pretty ridiculous since the season hadn't even started?

[chabazite]

I hear the UK and Sky One are the absolute worst for giving shit away in promos. Like, showing Ben moving the Island before season 4 even aired kind of bad.

[brainsuck33r]

Okay, while I will admit it looks like the plane did NOT crash on the Island, what exactly is going to happen to it when the person flying it - Frank - "flashes" out of the cockpit onto the Island with the rest of our Losties? I just don't think it is very long for the air no matter what.
i actually do think the plain crashed- maybe they flashed out somehow. now idea why. i think that because in one of the flash arounds from faraday's group they came to the beach camp and found stuff from that airplane company- water and so on. well and yes it was in the future that flash.



nice thoughts people!

i am wondering if our new friend from the airport (that offered condolences to jack) isn't an agent of widmore.

also, i still wonder who told hurley about that flight, and why was he carrying an instrument case with him? is it possible that "dead but here" charlie told him?


i guess we will find out- in the next backflashes why and how hurley was made to come back to that island. maybe widmore made him? and about that instrument: i think i just took it with himself because it might be useful on the island- not that boring with an instrument. but hey you are totally right! charlie! i havent thought about that one... great!

[chabazite]

Okay, while I will admit it looks like the plane did NOT crash on the Island, what exactly is going to happen to it when the person flying it - Frank - "flashes" out of the cockpit onto the Island with the rest of our Losties? I just don't think it is very long for the air no matter what.
i actually do think the plain crashed- maybe they flashed out somehow. now idea why. i think that because in one of the flash arounds from faraday's group they came to the beach camp and found stuff from that airplane company- water and so on. well and yes it was in the future that flash.
Yes. The Ajira Airlines water bottle they found is definitely one of the reasons I think the plane must have crashed somewhere nearby.

[Sifer]

Wasn't it a beer can?

[chabazite]

No, it was a Dharma beer can. Ajira water bottle was in the outrigger.

[Longy]

beer? weer?

[brainsuck33r]

ahh... yes and another thing! the oceanic 6 might be in the past or flashing around with the faraday group and jin while the others on that plane (maybe widmore's people) crashed down on that island in the present

[mybrainhurts]

One possibility is that when we saw the light flash in the plane it had broken into the 'time bubble' of the island and somehow the O6 get flashed around the main island (where we saw jack, hurley and kate) then Frank the super pilot manages to land/crash the plane on the hydra island (where sawyer and kate were crushing rocks to make a landing strip) this could then explain the two outriggers that were found on the island and the bottle of water from Ajira Airlines in it...people possibly including Ben came back from the Hydra island...and they're all stuck in the 70's :) if this is the case then alot of the others that we've seen in previous seasons could be the other passengers from the Ajira flight.

[immiz]

Do you think that since Jack and Kate are in dharma time, and that locke moving the donkey wheel stopped the jumping around of time, it could be possible that the Adam + Eve corpses that we saw in the first season (in their camp away from the beach where the freshwater is) are actually of Jack and Kate dying together? it just came to my mind since i remember Jack saying to Kate that by the look of the decay the two were dead for about 30 years! if thats the case then the lost writers are geniuses in tying together hints from earlier seasons to the present

[chabazite]

The writers ARE genuises, and they've done a mind-blowing job of tying shit we are seeing now to shit we saw 3 years ago.

My thoughts on Adam and Eve are that Jack and Kate are too obvious of a choice. If I had to pick any of our two current castaways, I'd go with Sun and Jin. They are a true couple, and they have that whole black/white element color scheme thingy going on. Or maybe Rose and Bernard, since they are the true Island couple and literally are black and white. Or perhaps it's none of our castaways, but descendants of theirs...like maybe Aaron and Ji Yeon? Got no clue, but I'm sure they ARE someone we know.

[Hurleyisfat]

saw this theory mentioned before, and i quite agree on it. i don't think the plane crashed, i think the o6 somehow flashed onto the island. they were ment to come back, so that when they did come back they were never on the plane. so i think the plane just lands om guam, without losties ever being on it.

all this timetravel is making my head spin :P

[chabazite]

saw this theory mentioned before, and i quite agree on it. i don't think the plane crashed, i think the o6 somehow flashed onto the island. they were ment to come back, so that when they did come back they were never on the plane. so i think the plane just lands om guam, without losties ever being on it.

all this timetravel is making my head spin :P
I simply do not see how a plane with no pilot can make it to Guam. This is my problem with the "it didn't crash" idea. Maybe it crashed in a different time, but I think it had to have gone down. I 've been wrong before, though.

[Longy]

co-pilot? Fuck the plane anyway..they're back! ;)

[chabazite]

co-pilot? Fuck the plane anyway..they're back! ;)
fuck the co-pilot...they're going down! Anyway, we'll find out what happened to the damned plane in a few episodes I'm sure. I like they are back, but I do feel it's been a bit rushed. They made it seem like there was gonna be this big hullaballoo about getting nobody wanting to go back and then the next episode everything is just falling into place. I guess Destiny just fucking Called.

Another question I have is why the Island let Ben come back so easily after it banished him for life. I mean, we haven't actually seen him on the Island again, but I ain't inclined to think he was left sitting on the plane when everyone else was laying in the lagoon. But it seems to me they actually did a really shitty job of recreating flight conditions. I predict unpredictability.

[mybrainhurts]

co-pilot? Fuck the plane anyway..they're back! ;)
fuck the co-pilot...they're going down! Anyway, we'll find out what happened to the damned plane in a few episodes I'm sure. I like they are back, but I do feel it's been a bit rushed. They made it seem like there was gonna be this big hullaballoo about getting nobody wanting to go back and then the next episode everything is just falling into place. I guess Destiny just fucking Called.

Another question I have is why the Island let Ben come back so easily after it banished him for life. I mean, we haven't actually seen him on the Island again, but I ain't inclined to think he was left sitting on the plane when everyone else was laying in the lagoon. But it seems to me they actually did a really shitty job of recreating flight conditions. I predict unpredictability.
maybe if them going back is to change something in the past then the point at which they flash off the plane means that the present time on the ajira aircraft is changed so they were never there and it goes on as normal...think about it...what if someone somehow manages to stop the purge or some other major point in time on the island (like the O6 getting off the island) then possibly Oceanic 815 never crashes or they never get to go on the Ajira flight...however i hope this isn't what happens because to me it would seem a bit of a cop-out.

chabazite...those sneek peeks are so tempting!!! damn you :D

[chabazite]

co-pilot? Fuck the plane anyway..they're back! ;)
fuck the co-pilot...they're going down! Anyway, we'll find out what happened to the damned plane in a few episodes I'm sure. I like they are back, but I do feel it's been a bit rushed. They made it seem like there was gonna be this big hullaballoo about getting nobody wanting to go back and then the next episode everything is just falling into place. I guess Destiny just fucking Called.

Another question I have is why the Island let Ben come back so easily after it banished him for life. I mean, we haven't actually seen him on the Island again, but I ain't inclined to think he was left sitting on the plane when everyone else was laying in the lagoon. But it seems to me they actually did a really shitty job of recreating flight conditions. I predict unpredictability.
maybe if them going back is to change something in the past then the point at which they flash off the plane means that the present time on the ajira aircraft is changed so they were never there and it goes on as normal...think about it...what if someone somehow manages to stop the purge or some other major point in time on the island (like the O6 getting off the island) then possibly Oceanic 815 never crashes or they never get to go on the Ajira flight...however i hope this isn't what happens because to me it would seem a bit of a cop-out.

chabazite...those sneek peeks are so tempting!!! damn you :D


I'd rather find out what the fuck is up with Christian Shephard anydamnway. Like I said, they did a pretty shitty job of recreating flight conditions, in my mind at least, so let's hope they DON'T cop out.

I'll say it like I said before about promos and sneak peeks realeased by ABC...since it is the people in charge of LOST that actually release these, I feel like it is perfectly fine to watch them, for myself, and they generally only serve as teasers, really. I tell myself that is is canon, and they wouldn't be up on the ABC website if they didn't WANT us to see them. But, yet again, I (heart) spoilers.

[mybrainhurts]

Chabazite...literally about five minutes after reading your response Sky One went and showed an advert for episode 7! So i went and checked out your ABC spoilers and god damn they're juicy!!! :) annoyingly the Sky One ad is totally different to those spoilers :s

I totally understand why you love the spoilers so much...i tend to avoid them otherwise i'm constantly thinking about Lost all the time! :) roll on thursday morning (here in the UK) :D

[chabazite]

Sky One are assholes. They like to ruin the entire series for people. There IS a limit, and they far surpass it.

[coyvanceyvh]

i don't really understand how locke is dead in real time but not on the island

[chabazite]

i don't really understand how locke is dead in real time but not on the island
yes, join the crowd

[defango]

i don't really understand how locke is dead in real time but not on the island
yes, join the crowd
If the Island is moving thru time, All instances of his body from past present and future will be on the island at all times. since the 6 are located back on the island now in past time, john Lock would then be alive in that time. Meaning he is dead in the "present" time, he would be alive in the past. Remember how he was able to walk again when they were on the island? I believe that when they "crashed" they landed in the past before John Received his injury making him able to walk again.

[mybrainhurts]

i don't really understand how locke is dead in real time but not on the island
yes, join the crowd
If the Island is moving thru time, All instances of his body from past present and future will be on the island at all times. since the 6 are located back on the island now in past time, john Lock would then be alive in that time. Meaning he is dead in the "present" time, he would be alive in the past. Remember how he was able to walk again when they were on the island? I believe that when they "crashed" they landed in the past before John Received his injury making him able to walk again.

I see your point but if you use that reasoning then surely when 815 crashed claire wouldn't have been heavily pregnant...her body would have reverted back to her state in the past. I think it's more to do with the islands control...which is why it didn't allow all the other women to give birth. The more i think about things i feel that the island caused the crash in order to stop what ben was doing with his new society...possibly he was going against the islands wishes in some way...the island prevented children from being born so the new society couldn't survive. Just because Ben and Richard know so much about the island doesn't mean that they have it's best interests in mind (a reason for using the sonic fence around the compound to keep smokey at bay). I think that there is an awful lot more to find out about what happened in the past with the young whidmore / ellie saga... ...just a thought anyway :)

[war]

i don't really understand how locke is dead in real time but not on the island
It's a timey wimey wibbly wobbly thing. You can exist simultaneously in multiple points of time, but more than one version of yourself can't exist in the same space. So Locke is dead three years in the future, but that isn't a fixed event because his body , as well as the island is in flux as they move back and forward in time. It's interesting to note though that the island, while it moves location and time, seems to still be anchored within a given timeframe - for example, we haven't seen them meet guyliner from way back in the past, which would mean that the island also has a constant...And part of me thinks that it's guyliner. He's certainly a lot more in synch with the island than even locke. Personally I'm inclined to think that the central characters are actually the shepherd family, and that guyliner has more to do with their existence than locke's. I could be wrong though.

[chabazite]

So what's Big Ben gonna do about Little Ben when he sees him, I wonder.

[war]

So what's Big Ben gonna do about Little Ben when he sees him, I wonder.
in theory, end the universe?

[chabazite]

So what's Big Ben gonna do about Little Ben when he sees him, I wonder.
in theory, end the universe?
there is paradox.

[war]

So what's Big Ben gonna do about Little Ben when he sees him, I wonder.
in theory, end the universe?
there is paradox.
...which would cause the universe to fold in on itself

[chabazite]

That would be fucking boss.

[war]

http://www.lookpic.com/files/charlotterocky.png

charlotte as she appeared in teh film mask

[chabazite]

http://www.lookpic.com/files/charlotterocky.png

charlotte as she appeared in teh film mask
ROCKEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!

[defango]

So what's Big Ben gonna do about Little Ben when he sees him, I wonder.
I hope they dont make a big clock

[NaranjaRa]

OMFG IM ABOUT TO CRAP MAH PANTS AND ITS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO BEING 9PM

http://i40.tinypic.com/2crvqle.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/34ooht0.jpg
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[Tiger_Vi]

Funny, last year I stayed up a couple of times, or got up really really early next morning to watch....this series I'm not as bothered. Will wait till tomorrow evening. I jsut don't feel that need like I used to :(

[NaranjaRa]

:|

[KyleB]

:|

LOST ROCKS (rock)

[chabazite]

:locke: (rock)

[Mr. Kangaroo]

definitely...the mornings after lost aired are the only days i turn on ma pc before breakfast..and i love my breakfast

[chabazite]

http://i44.tinypic.com/14wszr4.gif

[chabazite]

Lost fans really haven't spent much time with Walt in recent seasons, save for a hand-wave from an apartment window and a haunting visit to Locke's would-be grave. But this Wednesday, Michael's son will get a bit more screen time as "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham" details Locke's odyssey from donkey wheel to casket. Malcolm David Kelley — who as Walt was one of Lost's original cast members — shared a glimpse at his character's latest appearance.

TVGuide.com: I have to tell you, a reader emailed me saying she was skeptical about your Lost future because of that Tyson chicken commercial you're in.
Kelley: Oh yeah, my manager told me about that! A lot of people are bugging out about that commercial — "What are you doing?!"

TVGuide.com: But sure enough, Walt returns this week. In what capacity?
Kelley: Let's see.... I don't want to give anything away... but there's a situation where he knows something is going on, but nobody told him. It's that sort of thing.

TVGuide.com: What, does he get wind that Jack, Kate and the others are returning to the island?
Kelley: I'm just going to be talking to somebody, and.... Let's just say I know a little bit about what's going on, but nobody wants to tell me.

TVGuide.com: Now that the show is time-jumping around, do you get to play closer to your real age of 16? No more waving from windows or skewed camera angles?
Kelley: I do, and that's a very cool thing. I don't have to play this young boy anymore. I don't have to change my voice or have them dub in someone else's voice. There were a lot of things we had to do to try to make me sound younger.

TVGuide.com: When you first started the show, did you worry, "If I start to sprout, I'm going to lose my job"?
Kelley: I really didn't expect me to grow that fast! It was just over a year period that I started sprouting up and my voice got deeper. I wasn't really thinking about it. I didn't know how long the show was going to go, but then they started saying "2010"....

TVGuide.com: Does Walt know that his father is dead?
Kelley: [Pauses] I... don't think so. I'm not sure.

TVGuide.com: There's talk that Walt actually was on the flight back to the island in spirit, because Hurley took some of his comic books with him.
Kelley: [Laughs] That'd be pretty cool. But I hope I get to go back to the island myself at some point.

TVGuide.com: But maybe since Walt has his telekinesis-like powers, somebody doesn't want him back on the island. He could prove too useful to ... someone.
Kelley: Right, that's true. So maybe they're doing a smart thing!

[steve zissou]

LOST! + ash tuesday (because I forgot it was yesterday) = hurray

This episode should mostly revolve around Ben/Locke back stories, don't know how much they'll tell us though.... should be intense either way. Can't keep waiting, I need my lost fix..


t-4hours until LOST

[brainsuck33r]

@ chab

haha what a funny pic!

[chabazite]

@ chab

haha what a funny pic!
(heart)

Jack is kool

[chabazite]

I wonder if anyone is ever gonna find Claire's seagull with the note attached to it's tag.

[chabazite]

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o300/reiko7176/macros/Locke-with-picture.jpg

[chabazite]

My son says the Smoke Monster is the Island's breath.

[RokyRakoon]

My son says the Smoke Monster is the Island's breath.
Kids rock

[RokyRakoon]

Wow;;; loved the beginning... those are the people who were on the ageria flight right? gotta go; back on...

I just missed the whole fukin conversation with Locke and Whitmore cause my stupid dad called; The phones shouldn't even work when lost is on... I knew that camera belonged to him though... what's so special about that place though... So Locke is on his side now?? WTF? Gotta go; it's on...

[defango]

Almost time :D

[tev2]

AHHHHHHHH I MISSED TEH START! I MISSED TEH START!!!! (cry)

[RokyRakoon]

Holy shit :lol: ... New rule: John Locke can no longer be allowed behind the wheel... how can one guy have so much fucking bad luck.... what a crazy car crash; deja vu anybody???

[steve zissou]

BEST episode of the season imo. :locke: the show should just be locke playing all characters 24/7 imo

Abaddon died!! :-( [people are saying that Eko died... but Abaddon and eko and 2 different people right? Eko wasn't even in that episode]
...
It was sad at the end when Locke was going to commit suicide.. feeling like a failure and such. Ben killing him was a little obvious, but what are his motives? As soon as Locke mentioned Faraday's mother, Ben just decided he had to die for some reason.


Still wondering why is Jack's dad on the island, why Locke is so intense, how Locke managed to save people by dying, and trying to figure out who's more evil: Ben or Widmore...

[chabazite]

Episode is 5x07, The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham, just to be a know it all! And I haven't seen it yet so I am jealous y'all!

[Mr. 62]

John Locke = Jesus

truestory

[bigsexywzp]

I think I know why Ben was so bloody in 316 He killed Faraday's mother. He killed Locke shortly after her name was mentioned, so my assumption is that he went back shortly before the flight in 316 (or 5x06 for those playing along with the season and episode numbers) and murdered her. That's just my estimated guess.

[RokyRakoon]

I think I know why Ben was so bloody in 316 He killed Faraday's mother. He killed Locke shortly after her name was mentioned, so my assumption is that he went back shortly before the flight in 316 (or 5x06 for those playing along with the season and episode numbers) and murdered her. That's just my estimated guess.
This theory makes the most sense to me.... but why???

[tev2]

I think I know why Ben was so bloody in 316 He killed Faraday's mother. He killed Locke shortly after her name was mentioned, so my assumption is that he went back shortly before the flight in 316 (or 5x06 for those playing along with the season and episode numbers) and murdered her. That's just my estimated guess.
we talked about this last time, he saw Faraday's mother the day before, right? and was very gracious of her presence, + he NEEDED her to get back on the island. However, I believe it was PENNY he killed. Think about it. It looked like he was on a wharf, Penny was on a boat. He promised Whitmore he'd find her and kill her, and he had seen that Desmond was in town the night before.

[Mr. 62]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ6hIEqKR7A

[tev2]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ6hIEqKR7A
She just lost 2 hotness points there. Meaning she only has 1,999,998 hotness points left :o

[blue_falcon]

'eff that... 'eff that. god. such a good ep.. Ben, why? did you know?

theories: I've got nothing. Just go with it peeps. Go with the island's flow.

[ninjaslave]

tbh no island time = kinda not all the way ep. but still enyjoyable

[chabazite]

TOLD y'all the fucking plane was gonna crash.

[Kefi]

I just can't believe that they resurrected the freakin' fanatic john locke... There will be no end to his messiah complex now! It was bad enough when he was a simple fanatic, willing to kill anyone or to get killed at any moment if it was the will of "the island" or ben, or whitmore, or any silly ghost that happened to be the last to speak to him...
But now that he rose from the deads, the crazy old man will feel more and more that he's the prophet if not the "holy son" of this magnetic piece of floating rock. I really fear that some sort of inquisition may appear in the episodes to come...

BTW, I get the motivations of most of the characters to go back to the island, exept for Jack and Saïd. Anyone kind enough to help me understand plz?

[chabazite]

Okay people, where the fuck are you and why aren't we hashing through The Life and Death of Jeremy Benthan? Are your minds still reeling? I'll admit I have yet to absorb it all, and can only get out small thoughts at a time.

Sad. So fucking sad. The last episode to get me crying and snubbing like last night's was Ji Yeon. I was fucking shaking when Ben killed John and continued to do so for about 30 minutes. I hate Ben so much.

We found out what Widmore is about...or not. Right now he seems way more up and up than Ben, and I haven't actually SEEN him kill anyone, but they like to play with our sympathies and direct us down unpredicted paths. Perhaps the Island wants nothing more to do with either one of these jackasses.

My entire perception of Locke shifted last night. Terry O'Quinn knocked it out the box and that motherfucker best get an emmy for that performance. His scene with Walt was so gorgeous, so much in such a small clip. And it does appear as though Walt was expected to return with them.

Helen died. Maybe she'll show up on the Island and John can finally find some happiness?

All I know, is I hope he strings Ben up from the trees the same way Ethan did to Charlie...and I bet Jack won't bring HIS ass back to life!!!!

[chabazite]

I just can't believe that they resurrected the freakin' fanatic john locke... There will be no end to his messiah complex now! It was bad enough when he was a simple fanatic, willing to kill anyone or to get killed at any moment if it was the will of "the island" or ben, or whitmore, or any silly ghost that happened to be the last to speak to him...
But now that he rose from the deads, the crazy old man will feel more and more that he's the prophet if not the "holy son" of this magnetic piece of floating rock. I really fear that some sort of inquisition may appear in the episodes to come...

BTW, I get the motivations of most of the characters to go back to the island, exept for Jack and Saïd. Anyone kind enough to help me understand plz?
I've felt the same way about Lock since season 2...bumbling around and trying to force his insane specialness upon everyone. But the humility that he exhibited in last night's episode was something we've never seen from him. I think we may need more insight into the whole coming back to life thing before we can even know if that is REALLY the same Locke. I mean, Christian seems drastically different in his resurrected state than he did before.

Jack = motivated by a sense of guilt, largely. The fact he knows his daddy is wandering the Island seemed to really have an impact. I think he truly believes it is his purpose to go back and be there now.

Sayid = not motivated to go back at all. Had to be forced in handcuffs.

[war]

I think ben is cool. end of. And if anybody disagrees...

http://www.lookpic.com/files/fight.png

[chabazite]

Ben IS cool. But I hate him.

[Tiger_Vi]

I haven't watched it yet...hubby made me promise not to watch it till he got home...I have the willpower to do that, for some reason, but not the willpower to stay away from the spoilers! Argh!

[Krazi]

I think ben is cool. end of. And if anybody disagrees...

http://www.lookpic.com/files/fight.png
I agree. Ben is my favorite character. LOST would be a show about tea parties without him.

so, either Ben knew John would "come back to life" or he made a huge mistake... and I think it could go either way at this point - Ben could have been so concerned with caring for John's body because he needed it for a proxy, or because he knew John would come back. It's reverse dramatic irony. I hate you LOST writers, but I love you.

So, I guess the format is now going to go back and show what happened individually to each character before they boarded the plane - while showing how the new crash victims cope? Since everyone lost time after they all parted on the pier up until they were all on the plane. Anyone expect to see Walt? I'm guessing he may have coincidently won an all expenses paid trip to Guam...courtesy of Ben or Widmore.

I'm guessing they are going to show what happened to Kate and Desmond/Ben last - as the season finale, and then next season will be caught up in time when they are all on the island reunited. WTF HAPPENED TO AARON??? DID BEN KILL PENNY? ahhhhhhhhh

[mybrainhurts]

WOW


WOW!!! That was like an entire episode of answers...and obviously some new questions...i just don't know where to begin.


So it looks as if Frank the super pilot Lapidus managed to half land/half crash the Ajira plane on the Hydra island (that plane looks suspiciously like it was half on a certain crushed rock runway) and that the O6 did flash off the plane midflight, also we get a hint as to where the canoes came from in the previous flashing episode!


SO who is telling the truth...Charles or Ben? So far i'm inclined to go with Charles (and not just because i grew up with him as Jim Robinson in Neighbours), we are yet to witness just how exactly Ben manages to trick him into leaving the island...could it be now that Ben is back in the past (guessing 70's possibly late 60's) that he manages to manipulate Charles (Whidmore did say that they had protected the island peacefully for 3 decades)

Ben is now totally the islands outcast...when he pushes the donkey wheel he knew he couldn't come back to the island...that is until Locke lets it slip that Whidmore has told him how to get back, the moment John tells him the info that he needs Ben goes right back to being the evil bastard that we all know and love...possibly Ben can't handle the fact that the island has chosen John to be the leader of the islands people so kills him to keep him out of the way...bet he regretted that when he finds out from Ellie about how they have to recreate the flight as best as possible!

I thought the actors and writers did a brilliant job in the way they are bringing it all together, and i LOVED Hurleys reaction to seeing John..."guess you didn't make it either" i really did lol!

....i'll post more when my poor little brain has processed it all...and when i've watched it again! :D

[chabazite]

I think ben is cool. end of. And if anybody disagrees...

http://www.lookpic.com/files/fight.png
I agree. Ben is my favorite character. LOST would be a show about tea parties without him.

so, either Ben knew John would "come back to life" or he made a huge mistake... and I think it could go either way at this point - Ben could have been so concerned with caring for John's body because he needed it for a proxy, or because he knew John would come back. It's reverse dramatic irony. I hate you LOST writers, but I love you.

So, I guess the format is now going to go back and show what happened individually to each character before they boarded the plane - while showing how the new crash victims cope? Since everyone lost time after they all parted on the pier up until they were all on the plane. Anyone expect to see Walt? I'm guessing he may have coincidently won an all expenses paid trip to Guam...courtesy of Ben or Widmore.

I'm guessing they are going to show what happened to Kate and Desmond/Ben last - as the season finale, and then next season will be caught up in time when they are all on the island reunited. WTF HAPPENED TO AARON??? DID BEN KILL PENNY? ahhhhhhhhh
This is true, he does add mucho spice to the show!

I was wondering how much off Island stuff we were gonna continue to get also. I know we were all ready for them to go back, but it seemed to happen so quicky! The stories of how they all came to be there are gonna be great.

I had seen that Walt was gonna be in this episode in an interview he did, but I didn't expect it to be so intense at all. From what Abaddon said, it seemed he expected Walt to go as well. I have no doubt he will find his way back to the Island, and I kinda wouldn't be surprised if he decides to try to get there of his own accord. He'll be legal to make that kind of decision for himself soon! :P

I think Aaron is either with Claire's mom or...kind of stupid but possible...with Sawyer's baby mama. And there is no way in hell he ain't gonna have to go back to. Right? Fuck if I really know.

And I do think Ben killed Penny, but I don't fucking like it!

[ninjaslave]

ben is an evil bitch, evil little bitch. locke is a man of truth. Chabazite, you got me too drunk last night. so the plane crashed, but are locke (fresh outta the coffin) and the other surviors in the same time frame as Jack, Kate and Hurley? I am assuming that jack, kate and hurley are in the same time period as the rest of the oc6 but still not sure about locke and the surviors for a couple reasons, one the boats. two - of what ceaser said about them just disappearing out of the plane. Who is gion to be on this passenger list?

[bigsexywzp]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ6hIEqKR7A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1pf9q6Zoi0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQcax8yjvtM

I hope that all of them can get better work now. It'll be a shame to see them resort to things like this again.

[war]

My conclusions thus far are this:

Claire: Annoying
Charlie: Cool because he's a brit
Sawyer: A pussy thanks to a conversion to the cult of kate
Jack: A pussy
Locke: Ossum
Guyliner: Ossum
Ben: The best fuckin thing about this show besides the island
Smokey: cross reference ben
Libby and Boone: GOD I'm glad they're dead. Who the fuck told maggie grace she can act?
Hurley: Annoying
Sayid IS THE MUTHAFUCKIN BOMB!
Desmond: Awesome when he's off the reservation

So basically, it's safe to say I like the sadists in the group.

[chabazite]

Shannon. Boone and Shannon. But Libby annoyed you too.

Mr. Eko trumps all.

[GINinja]

2 questions:


1. Are ya'll sure it was the Hydra Station that the two new folks were going through? I'd heard on a podcast or something that there were other Darma stations not yet explored...

2. W.T.F.
http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/pp204/GINinja50/Lost.png
I know it's Faraday's but...care to explain???

Edit: scratch #1, just saw Hydra Darma Logo on the folder toward the end of the ep...

[Tiger_Vi]

Jack is the worst so-called hero ever.

Mr Eko was great, I wish they hadn't killed him off, he was my fave along with Sayid :(

[defango]

so fucking Ben killed john. They did say that John was going to have to die in order for everyone to come back. It looks like the suspicion about The Plane Crashing were correct, but why would the 6 and lock disappear and the rest of the passengers crash with the plane? also why is Ben with the crashers?I'm guessing that the Pilot who took off with the passager list is working for witmore

[ninjaslave]

make your own kind of music, sing your own kinda of sonnng

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNmFYwqJrHA

[defango]

2 questions:


1. Are ya'll sure it was the Hydra Station that the two new folks were going through? I'd heard on a podcast or something that there were other Darma stations not yet explored...

2. W.T.F.
http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/pp204/GINinja50/Lost.png
I know it's Faraday's buy...care to explain???

Edit: scratch #1, just saw Hydra Darma Logo on the folder toward the end of the ep...

I noticed that too, Looks like the explanation on how to have something exist around "normal"time and space time.

[M(B41n3]

Hmm...
I really dont know what I can say about the last episode... but I'll try



So, we have the exit in Tunesia. Thats quite interesting. With only Ben landed there it could be just random (although unlikely with Tunesia lying on the other side of the world where the island seems to be).
But, if that's a fact, why did Whitmore not arrest Ben when he came out there ? He sure knew where to look. And I think thats not only because of reports that Ben landed there, but he himself got there when he was exiled from the island. So why not capture Ben ? Sure, he cant kill him, but he could take Ben out of the game for a while.
http://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr244/mcb41n3/chess.png

Whats with Abbadon ? He goes with Locke to see Hurley, knowing that Hurley freaked out and didnt trust him. So, he's there, standing obviously so that Hurley sees him and freaks again, and then blame Locke for not persuating Hurley...

The O6 flashed out of the plane. The rest of the passengers are still in "real time" (whatever this means on the Island). I suppose Locke and Ben didnt flash out to Dharma time because they got donkey wheeled from the Island. That means we have a group in "normal time" (Locke,Ben, Frank, Survivors) and the Dharma time/time flashing group (O6, Saywer, Faraday, and so on).

I think Ben is not amused to see Locke cooperating with Whitmore. When he learned that Locke should go and see Mrs. Hawkings he killed him... I think this is because Whitmore and Mrs. Hawkings worked together (its think its sure to assume that Elli was Mrs. Hawkings - we saw in Jughead that Whitmore was around that time too).

Have to watch it again... twice...

[chabazite]

Jack is the worst so-called hero ever.

Mr Eko was great, I wish they hadn't killed him off, he was my fave along with Sayid :(
Yeah, they killed him off because the actor wanted off the show. Fail.

[chabazite]

so fucking Ben killed john. They did say that John was going to have to die in order for everyone to come back. It looks like the suspicion about The Plane Crashing were correct, but why would the 6 and lock disappear and the rest of the passengers crash with the plane? also why is Ben with the crashers?I'm guessing that the Pilot who took off with the passager list is working for witmore
I guess they disappeared for the same reason the rest of the losties were disappearing on the Island...which I guess ties into why they have to go back in the first place. Ben is with the crashers because he wasn't supposed to be there. He is banished and the Island don't want him no more. Lapidus WAS working for Widmore when he was on the freighter, but he did seem surprised to see Jack and everyone else on the plane. I am VERY interested in the "new" castaways! I really would rather NOT crash on Hydra Island with the polar bear cages and Room 23

[war]

Shannon. Boone and Shannon. But Libby annoyed you too.

Mr. Eko trumps all.
oh my GOD she annoyed the shit out of me

[chabazite]

Shannon? Libby? Both? Shannon was far greater an annoyance for way longer, tbh.

[Kefi]

I just can't believe that they resurrected the freakin' fanatic john locke... There will be no end to his messiah complex now! It was bad enough when he was a simple fanatic, willing to kill anyone or to get killed at any moment if it was the will of "the island" or ben, or whitmore, or any silly ghost that happened to be the last to speak to him...
But now that he rose from the deads, the crazy old man will feel more and more that he's the prophet if not the "holy son" of this magnetic piece of floating rock. I really fear that some sort of inquisition may appear in the episodes to come...

BTW, I get the motivations of most of the characters to go back to the island, exept for Jack and Saïd. Anyone kind enough to help me understand plz?
I've felt the same way about Lock since season 2...bumbling around and trying to force his insane specialness upon everyone. But the humility that he exhibited in last night's episode was something we've never seen from him. I think we may need more insight into the whole coming back to life thing before we can even know if that is REALLY the same Locke. I mean, Christian seems drastically different in his resurrected state than he did before.

Jack = motivated by a sense of guilt, largely. The fact he knows his daddy is wandering the Island seemed to really have an impact. I think he truly believes it is his purpose to go back and be there now.

Sayid = not motivated to go back at all. Had to be forced in handcuffs.
Thanks for the kind answer :) thought I hope there will be more revelations on the reasons why Jack is so desperate to crash back... All Locke did was saying that his father said hello, I don't think Jack would immediatly believe that the ghost of his father truly wanders on the island. After all, knowing his first name isn't much of a definite proof IMO...

[war]

Shannon? Libby? Both? Shannon was far greater an annoyance for way longer, tbh.
Both. :|

[mybrainhurts]

I just can't believe that they resurrected the freakin' fanatic john locke... There will be no end to his messiah complex now! It was bad enough when he was a simple fanatic, willing to kill anyone or to get killed at any moment if it was the will of "the island" or ben, or whitmore, or any silly ghost that happened to be the last to speak to him...
But now that he rose from the deads, the crazy old man will feel more and more that he's the prophet if not the "holy son" of this magnetic piece of floating rock. I really fear that some sort of inquisition may appear in the episodes to come...

BTW, I get the motivations of most of the characters to go back to the island, exept for Jack and Saïd. Anyone kind enough to help me understand plz?
I've felt the same way about Lock since season 2...bumbling around and trying to force his insane specialness upon everyone. But the humility that he exhibited in last night's episode was something we've never seen from him. I think we may need more insight into the whole coming back to life thing before we can even know if that is REALLY the same Locke. I mean, Christian seems drastically different in his resurrected state than he did before.

Jack = motivated by a sense of guilt, largely. The fact he knows his daddy is wandering the Island seemed to really have an impact. I think he truly believes it is his purpose to go back and be there now.

Sayid = not motivated to go back at all. Had to be forced in handcuffs.
Thanks for the kind answer :) thought I hope there will be more revelations on the reasons why Jack is so desperate to crash back... All Locke did was saying that his father said hello, I don't think Jack would immediatly believe that the ghost of his father truly wanders on the island. After all, knowing his first name isn't much of a definite proof IMO...

To be honest i think that being told that your dad says hello would be enough to send you a bit crazo, considering the amount of times Jack saw Christian on the island and then off it too, also that his coffin was empty after the crash...add to the fact that he found out claire was his half sister thanks to daddy Shephard playing away in another hemisphere...it's enough to be certifiable! :)

I know this may sound a bit nuts but one thought i had a while ago is that Charles Whidmore and Ellie Hawking/Faraday seem to know the various outcomes of the future (Charles telling Locke that he's needed for the upcoming war? and Eloise going on about the future of mankind) it's as if thay've already been there....

One other way out idea is that Matthew Abaddon is/was Walt! :) (obviously in some kinda crazy time looping shenanigans)

[GINinja]

How does the timing of the Season 3 finale, when Jack and Kate met at the airport, fit with where we are now? It doesn't seem to work with the group getting back together in the "316" episode but maybe I'm missing something...

[mybrainhurts]

Hmm...
I really dont know what I can say about the last episode... but I'll try



So, we have the exit in Tunesia. Thats quite interesting. With only Ben landed there it could be just random (although unlikely with Tunesia lying on the other side of the world where the island seems to be).
But, if that's a fact, why did Whitmore not arrest Ben when he came out there ? He sure knew where to look. And I think thats not only because of reports that Ben landed there, but he himself got there when he was exiled from the island. So why not capture Ben ? Sure, he cant kill him, but he could take Ben out of the game for a while.
http://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr244/mcb41n3/chess.png

Whats with Abbadon ? He goes with Locke to see Hurley, knowing that Hurley freaked out and didnt trust him. So, he's there, standing obviously so that Hurley sees him and freaks again, and then blame Locke for not persuating Hurley...

The O6 flashed out of the plane. The rest of the passengers are still in "real time" (whatever this means on the Island). I suppose Locke and Ben didnt flash out to Dharma time because they got donkey wheeled from the Island. That means we have a group in "normal time" (Locke,Ben, Frank, Survivors) and the Dharma time/time flashing group (O6, Saywer, Faraday, and so on).

I think Ben is not amused to see Locke cooperating with Whitmore. When he learned that Locke should go and see Mrs. Hawkings he killed him... I think this is because Whitmore and Mrs. Hawkings worked together (its think its sure to assume that Elli was Mrs. Hawkings - we saw in Jughead that Whitmore was around that time too).

Have to watch it again... twice...


in response to your comment about 'why didn't Whidmore arrest Ben when he appeared in Tusnia' ...i reckon Whidmore only set up the camera in the desert after Ben had come back to the real world and paid Charles a visit when he was sleeping...and threatened to kill Penny.

I also think that everyone on the main island and the Hydra island are all in the same time...just not sure exactly when...guessing late 70's/ maybe early 80's...wherever the island jumped to after Locke spun the donkey wheel :)

[chabazite]

I've felt the same way about Lock since season 2...bumbling around and trying to force his insane specialness upon everyone. But the humility that he exhibited in last night's episode was something we've never seen from him. I think we may need more insight into the whole coming back to life thing before we can even know if that is REALLY the same Locke. I mean, Christian seems drastically different in his resurrected state than he did before.

Jack = motivated by a sense of guilt, largely. The fact he knows his daddy is wandering the Island seemed to really have an impact. I think he truly believes it is his purpose to go back and be there now.

Sayid = not motivated to go back at all. Had to be forced in handcuffs.
Thanks for the kind answer :) thought I hope there will be more revelations on the reasons why Jack is so desperate to crash back... All Locke did was saying that his father said hello, I don't think Jack would immediatly believe that the ghost of his father truly wanders on the island. After all, knowing his first name isn't much of a definite proof IMO...

To be honest i think that being told that your dad says hello would be enough to send you a bit crazo, considering the amount of times Jack saw Christian on the island and then off it too, also that his coffin was empty after the crash...add to the fact that he found out claire was his half sister thanks to daddy Shephard playing away in another hemisphere...it's enough to be certifiable! :)

I know this may sound a bit nuts but one thought i had a while ago is that Charles Whidmore and Ellie Hawking/Faraday seem to know the various outcomes of the future (Charles telling Locke that he's needed for the upcoming war? and Eloise going on about the future of mankind) it's as if thay've already been there....

One other way out idea is that Matthew Abaddon is/was Walt! :) (obviously in some kinda crazy time looping shenanigans)


Jack had also had a couple of run-ins with his dad at the hospital by the time he met up with Locke. Not to mention the impact that actually seeing John would have. Jack is very motivated by guilt, and what John said would definitely get to him. Also he had that visit with Hurley where he was delivered a couple of freaky ass messages from Ghost Charlie. By the time John and Jack talked, Jack was already on the downward spiral.

There have been elements of that whole KNOWING thing from the very start of the show. From Locke to Walt to Eko to Libby to Ben to various Others to Widmore and Hawking, it's been there is various ways. It ties into all the times we've heard the phrase SUPPOSED TO, I think.

I'm not down with the whole Walt is Matthew thing simply because they stood within 20 feet of each other last night outside Walt's school. Plus, it would just be kinda lame, imo. But THAT goes back to my question about Big Ben/Little Ben. If they all crashed in the same timeline as Jack and them found themselves in, the Big Ben would be on Hydra Island at least, while Little Ben is on Mystery Freakin' Island with Dharma. But if they didn't crash in the same time, it ain' t even an issue. What I wonder is if mabye Jack, Hurley, & Kate aren't in the same time as, say Sayid and Sun? Is it possible they'll be separated into different timelines until someone fixes it? Is that a part of the "unpredictability" they're speaking of? I"m actually under the impression they all are in the same time on the Island and the Hydra station, but at this point it's all just guessing

[M(B41n3]

Hmm...
I really dont know what I can say about the last episode... but I'll try



So, we have the exit in Tunesia. Thats quite interesting. With only Ben landed there it could be just random (although unlikely with Tunesia lying on the other side of the world where the island seems to be).
But, if that's a fact, why did Whitmore not arrest Ben when he came out there ? He sure knew where to look. And I think thats not only because of reports that Ben landed there, but he himself got there when he was exiled from the island. So why not capture Ben ? Sure, he cant kill him, but he could take Ben out of the game for a while.
http://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr244/mcb41n3/chess.png

Whats with Abbadon ? He goes with Locke to see Hurley, knowing that Hurley freaked out and didnt trust him. So, he's there, standing obviously so that Hurley sees him and freaks again, and then blame Locke for not persuating Hurley...

The O6 flashed out of the plane. The rest of the passengers are still in "real time" (whatever this means on the Island). I suppose Locke and Ben didnt flash out to Dharma time because they got donkey wheeled from the Island. That means we have a group in "normal time" (Locke,Ben, Frank, Survivors) and the Dharma time/time flashing group (O6, Saywer, Faraday, and so on).

I think Ben is not amused to see Locke cooperating with Whitmore. When he learned that Locke should go and see Mrs. Hawkings he killed him... I think this is because Whitmore and Mrs. Hawkings worked together (its think its sure to assume that Elli was Mrs. Hawkings - we saw in Jughead that Whitmore was around that time too).

Have to watch it again... twice...


in response to your comment about 'why didn't Whidmore arrest Ben when he appeared in Tusnia' ...i reckon Whidmore only set up the camera in the desert after Ben had come back to the real world and paid Charles a visit when he was sleeping...and threatened to kill Penny.

I also think that everyone on the main island and the Hydra island are all in the same time...just not sure exactly when...guessing late 70's/ maybe early 80's...wherever the island jumped to after Locke spun the donkey wheel :)




Well, I think Whitmore got banned from the island via donkey wheel. If thats correct he would have known that Tunesia is the exit quite some time before Ben got there. It is just a theory tho which I questioned myself asking why he wouldnt observe this all the time. Damn LOST... too many questions... I like it ^^


But I disagree with all being in the same time. It wouldnt make sense that the O6 flashed out of the plane if they werent in another timeframe. They saw Jin in Dharma clothes, so they are in Dharma time like Faraday in the beginning of the Season.

Locke, Ben and the rest are not flashed trough time. They found the canoes on the beach which Saywer and the Flashing crew also found a couple of episodes back, in the camp of the 815ers which looked deserted for some time (say 3years ?). So the canoe time is not the Dharma time.
However this is my opinion.

I think in a couple of episodes one of the canoes will get stolen and in pursuit a redshirt of the 816ers will die (we have seen from the other perspective a while back).

[Tiger_Vi]

How does the timing of the Season 3 finale, when Jack and Kate met at the airport, fit with where we are now? It doesn't seem to work with the group getting back together in the "316" episode but maybe I'm missing something...
That (jack & Kate & the S3 finale)happens after Locke is killed by Ben. Jack is reading the obituary in that episode. After meeting Kate, Jack goes back to the funeral parlour and meets Ben, that meeting sets in motion the events which lead up to 316, including the scenes off island in earlier S5 episodes.

[chabazite]

Now that I've had some time to think about Ben killing John, the more I question my original anger. It seems like maybe Ben actually allowed John to leave life in a way that gave him redemption the Island requires. Locke had once again lost all his faith and was ready to end it because of his failure to accomplish his goal of getting everyone back. So, along comes Ben, giving him hope again. But then, at the same time...he didn't kill him until AFTER he got the information he seemed to need from him. Than again, he also had like rubber gloves and cleaning supplies ready to clean the mess. BUT, maybe he got them from under Locke's sink. Another example of someone knowing what was gonna happen and what they needed to do? I don't know. I still can't stand the little bugger as much as I adore him.

[Mr. Kangaroo]

Hmm...
I really dont know what I can say about the last episode... but I'll try



So, we have the exit in Tunesia. Thats quite interesting. With only Ben landed there it could be just random (although unlikely with Tunesia lying on the other side of the world where the island seems to be).
But, if that's a fact, why did Whitmore not arrest Ben when he came out there ? He sure knew where to look. And I think thats not only because of reports that Ben landed there, but he himself got there when he was exiled from the island. So why not capture Ben ? Sure, he cant kill him, but he could take Ben out of the game for a while.
http://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr244/mcb41n3/chess.png

Whats with Abbadon ? He goes with Locke to see Hurley, knowing that Hurley freaked out and didnt trust him. So, he's there, standing obviously so that Hurley sees him and freaks again, and then blame Locke for not persuating Hurley...

The O6 flashed out of the plane. The rest of the passengers are still in "real time" (whatever this means on the Island). I suppose Locke and Ben didnt flash out to Dharma time because they got donkey wheeled from the Island. That means we have a group in "normal time" (Locke,Ben, Frank, Survivors) and the Dharma time/time flashing group (O6, Saywer, Faraday, and so on).

I think Ben is not amused to see Locke cooperating with Whitmore. When he learned that Locke should go and see Mrs. Hawkings he killed him... I think this is because Whitmore and Mrs. Hawkings worked together (its think its sure to assume that Elli was Mrs. Hawkings - we saw in Jughead that Whitmore was around that time too).

Have to watch it again... twice...


in response to your comment about 'why didn't Whidmore arrest Ben when he appeared in Tusnia' ...i reckon Whidmore only set up the camera in the desert after Ben had come back to the real world and paid Charles a visit when he was sleeping...and threatened to kill Penny.

I also think that everyone on the main island and the Hydra island are all in the same time...just not sure exactly when...guessing late 70's/ maybe early 80's...wherever the island jumped to after Locke spun the donkey wheel :)




Well, I think Whitmore got banned from the island via donkey wheel. If thats correct he would have known that Tunesia is the exit quite some time before Ben got there. It is just a theory tho which I questioned myself asking why he wouldnt observe this all the time. Damn LOST... too many questions... I like it ^^



who sais the camera hasnt been there all along? your just assimung this because they did not show it when Ben landed...however very soon after he did 2 armed man come by in the middle of the fucking desert right where he is. maybe they get payed by Whitmore to watch the exit or atleast did until Ben got there.

[chabazite]

in response to your comment about 'why didn't Whidmore arrest Ben when he appeared in Tusnia' ...i reckon Whidmore only set up the camera in the desert after Ben had come back to the real world and paid Charles a visit when he was sleeping...and threatened to kill Penny.

I also think that everyone on the main island and the Hydra island are all in the same time...just not sure exactly when...guessing late 70's/ maybe early 80's...wherever the island jumped to after Locke spun the donkey wheel :)




Well, I think Whitmore got banned from the island via donkey wheel. If thats correct he would have known that Tunesia is the exit quite some time before Ben got there. It is just a theory tho which I questioned myself asking why he wouldnt observe this all the time. Damn LOST... too many questions... I like it ^^



who sais the camera hasnt been there all along? your just assimung this because they did not show it when Ben landed...however very soon after he did 2 armed man come by in the middle of the fucking desert right where he is. maybe they get payed by Whitmore to watch the exit or atleast did until Ben got there.

SOMEONE had to be privy to Ben's landing in the desert. I mean, it's kinda in the middle of nowhere, and pretty much the minute lands there two people ride up on him, not unintentionally it didn't seem. They might have wondered where he came from, but they knew he was there.

[Lagwastan]

the question is, who does caesar and his crew work for? when john locke said "i'm john locke" to caesar, caesar looked REALLLLLLY DISTRUBED by that.... which means two things.... he knew of john locke, and he had never seen john locke..... that to me rules out widmore, whom i orginally thought caesar worked for.... so who could it be? Paik?

[chabazite]

Apparantly this last episode just has us too blown away to even talk about it. Do I have to go over to myspace to get some LOST talk?

Actually, they aren't talking over there either. Apparently the last episode caused all of our brains to start jumping through time. Pretty soon our noses will be bleeding.


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[Lagwastan]

oh don't get me started on those myspace lost groups, 99.9 percent of the people in those groups are literally talking out of their ass, and as a result it stinks

[chabazite]

oh don't get me started on those myspace lost groups, 99.9 percent of the people in those groups are literally talking out of their ass, and as a result it stinks
THANK YOU, SON!!!!!

[Lagwastan]

i just deleted my myspace once and for all... been meaning to do it ever since i discovered the heaven that is ninjavideo.... but today i finally got around to it...

i'll probably put another music page up though, if and when i ever can choose a band name.... hardest thing in the world i tell you....

the john lockes

time skipping

big fat hurley

the chicken pot guys (that one isn't lost related, but hurley made me think of it)

[chabazite]

i just deleted my myspace once and for all... been meaning to do it ever since i discovered the heaven that is ninjavideo.... but today i finally got around to it...

i'll probably put another music page up though, if and when i ever can choose a band name.... hardest thing in the world i tell you....

the john lockes

time skipping

big fat hurley

the chicken pot guys (that one isn't lost related, but hurley made me think of it)
Heh heh...you're awesome. I keep ahold of my myspace for a very select group of people (LOST folks of course). Two of them say they are unable to access ninjavideo in their countries (notlost and alex), and they are my dudes so I put up with it. Fuck the groups. Fuck those flaky bitches...fucking all you hear from them is shit about how dumbass Kate is meant to be with Sawyer and all that stupid shit (which anyone with a fucking brain a: wouldn't care or b: would understand that Kate and Jack are gonna wind up together right before they put a bullet in each other's brains. It will be the best episode ever.

You know you want to make sure you have your music page though. Add me, bitch.

Big fat Hurley is the only one of those fuckers that has any goddamn sense, tbh.

And the chicken pot guys are always present....but what about Cuba Gooding, Jr?

[Lagwastan]

they should have cast cuba instead of that caesar guy

[chabazite]

they should have cast cuba instead of that caesar guy
:D

[Longy]

:lol: ben is such a bastard but as bastards go he's probably the best bastard around.p.s. What building were they in on the island?

[chabazite]

:lol: ben is such a bastard but as bastards go he's probably the best bastard around.p.s. What building were they in on the island?
They were actually on polar bear cage sex island. They were in the Hydra Station.

[tev2]

At first when I read your comment I thought Caesar's reaction would be to Jack at the airport purchasing his ticket. However, then I realized he said Jeremy Bentham. So I really don't know, but I'll have to watch it again because I completely missed Caesar's reaction. I knew he was going to be a major character the second I saw him though.

OMG spoiler tag fail. That was close.

[Lagwastan]

Yeah there is def. something fishy about the C mans reaction to what Locke said, but I can't imagine what it is... unlesss... what if they are Dharma?

[Longy]

They might be part of widmore's crew :/ ???

[Lagwastan]

i thought they were widmores crew at first too, especially since I think Sun wants to grab Jin and leave the island to go back to her kid, whom she would have never left behind if she planned on staying on the island... so I think sun is a double agent for Widmore for the time being... and so it woudl make sense Widmore knows what flight they are taking and could put his people on....

BUT.... wouldn't Widmore's people know what John Locke looks like? Seems like a thing Widmore would throw out there, being that he likes to prepare his people... and Caesar indeed knew who Locke was, based on the name and his reaction, but that also showed he never saw Locke before..... which is why i'm leaning toward dharma instead of widmores people...

PLUS, right now we have some losties stuck back in dharma times, it would be cool in the story if them being back there result in new dharma people coming years later....

[Longy]

yeah your right i'd say lag, he would have recognized ben as well come to think of it.

[chabazite]

i thought they were widmores crew at first too, especially since I think Sun wants to grab Jin and leave the island to go back to her kid, whom she would have never left behind if she planned on staying on the island... so I think sun is a double agent for Widmore for the time being... and so it woudl make sense Widmore knows what flight they are taking and could put his people on....

BUT.... wouldn't Widmore's people know what John Locke looks like? Seems like a thing Widmore would throw out there, being that he likes to prepare his people... and Caesar indeed knew who Locke was, based on the name and his reaction, but that also showed he never saw Locke before..... which is why i'm leaning toward dharma instead of widmores people...

PLUS, right now we have some losties stuck back in dharma times, it would be cool in the story if them being back there result in new dharma people coming years later....


I got the impression neither of them know what Dharma was either. But the ambiguity of this show basically sets it where all scenarios are feasible and possible until we find out more.

[M(B41n3]

"who sais the camera hasnt been there all along? your just assimung this because they did not show it when Ben landed...however very soon after he did 2 armed man come by in the middle of the fucking desert right where he is. maybe they get payed by Whitmore to watch the exit or atleast did until Ben got there."

Exact the fact that they were there a minute after his arrival made me think ... it was way to fast. I watched the scene again... nowhere were cameras shown or could be installed... at least that whats the perspective allowed me to see....
But Locke did lie there till night before someone got him. Also, the two guys seemed highly suprised, so I dont think they were send. They just happened to be there. In a translation of the scene I read they wondered who he is and why there are no footprints. I dont believe they were send or knew what was going on...
I could be wrong of course.
Of course they still could get paid by Whitmore without knowing whats going on and just bring all the poeple they find there to him.

[Lagwastan]

at comic con we saw a video of Chang on camera talking about how he knows what is going to happen in the future, because someone told him, (obviosuly its one of the time skippers, probably faraday)... as a result, he demands that the dharma initiative reform and return to the island.... that is why i think caesar is dharma.... he seems very very very comfortable on the island for some noob who crashed there

[Ragman]

Lost REALLY does not fuck about :D

[chabazite]

Lost REALLY does not fuck about :D
Only very, very rarely and I trust what I assume is fuckery will eventually prove to be otherwise.

[Ragman]

Lost REALLY does not fuck about :D
Only very, very rarely and I trust what I assume is fuckery will eventually prove to be otherwise.
Yeah totally, I adore the way it has an end, that it will end (sadly), but it just reassures me that I WILL KNOW EVERYTHING!

[Lagwastan]

We will know the majority of the big mysteries.... but there will no doubt be soooooooo much left unaswered.... thats really the only way they can do it...

Like the numbers, they have a meaning, but that doesn't mean every time we see them its connected, and they don't have to account for that kind of stuff, I don't expect them too...

Once we know Jacob's goals, and who he is, and more about the others.... more about the ancient island, what the smoke monster is, that kidn of stuff.... I think everything else will make sense.

[chabazite]

Well I, for one, am ready to see where the fuck they've stowed Rose, Bernard, & Vincent away. At least 10 times more interesting they are than at least half of our main characters.

Also, I'm ready to see Mr. Eko. And his Jesus Stick.

[Lagwastan]

i HATE rose and bernard... not so much bernard, but rose... god i hate rose... to the point of rose and bernard pisss me off, if it was rose and jacob it would still piss me off.... rose is terrrrrible....



i hope rose and bernard are the skeletons in the cave, and that they find those black and white stones on vincents collar in a sachel, as if jack had put them there one day

[M(B41n3]

Hmm, I think I just saw something back in season 2 ... could it be a mistake ?
(Not sure if I have to Spoiler tag this, but I will to be on the safe side)


When I viewed the episode again I realised that Goodwin came out of the jungle shortly after the crash. Later in the episode Ana Lucia states that it was 10 minutes after the crash.
However, on a later point (in season 3 I think) we see the plane crash from the perspective of the others. They are on the island where the Hydra station is, and Ben orders Ethan and Goodwin to go and infiltrate them. As it was not clear if they could make it faster to the crash site via some unexpected island Mystery, even Ben states that if they run, they can make it in a few hours.

So, how can Goodwin come out of the jungle a couple of minutes after the crash when he is supposed to need a couple of hours ? Another Mystery, or a rare occasion of error in a Lost episode ?

[Sifer]

It may well have been hours however... A plane crash is likely to be hectic for a few hours.

[M(B41n3]

It may well have been hours however... A plane crash is likely to be hectic for a few hours.
Yes, of course, but it doesnt seemed that way, and it was stated that it was ten minutes. Well, whatever, perhaps the Island mystery behind this gets revealed as a Gummi Bear Quick Tunnel under the island^^

[chabazite]

I was under the impression that it was Ethan he said could make it there in a few hours. Ethan had to run all the way across mystery freakin island to get to where the fuselage landed. Goodwin didn't have to go far at all, according to the Island maps...the tail section landed in a part of the beach much closer to the barracks.

[chabazite]

Agreed, Steve.

Does anyone else want to bitchslap whoever decided to NOT have a new episode next week?

[Lagwastan]

That is so lame. Someone needs to be shot.

[chabazite]

That is so lame. Someone needs to be shot.
I KNOW! It's shite! We already have to wait 5 years in between seasons, and then they made the seasons a few episodes shorter, and THEN they set a fucking end date. There should be NO breaks and a straight run all the way through the season. Hell, they should make more episodes and run straight through every month for the rest of the series.

[Lagwastan]

That is a great idea actually. They should just go on break until they have them all completed, then give us 1 a week till its over.

[chabazite]

Also, does anyone think that lame ass ARG we suffered through this summer will actually pay off by the end of the season? Do y'all think they REALLY dropped the ball on it, or was that all a part of a game that hasn't even ended?

Personally, I think they just lost it with the Dharma Wants You shit, but I keep hoping it'll come back to surprise the hell out of us.

[Lagwastan]

I just always thought it was a way to keep people interested during the break, and that they didn't really care how good it was, so long as it seemed appealing at a first glance.

I never participated in any of the lost extras like ARG, I just read up about them on Lostpedia so I can get the info without the hastle.

[chabazite]

There's an episode this week, not next. Next week they'll show the lastest two episodes. I think. Unless it's being preempted or something.

Lag, with the ARG...the first one they had...The Lost Experience...went so far beyond just keeping people interested and entertained that we expected the same out of this. We found out tremendous amounts about Dharma and the Hanso shit with TLE, and that is where Mittlewerk and all that shit first came up.

[Ragman]

And agreed that there will be stuff left out in the end, but I think they have enough episodes left to kinda fill in those gaps, it would be so amazing if they did reveal almost everything because it would just make the whole package alot more enjoyable to watch again and again. I worked out that a Lost-a-thon would last 76 hours, easily achievable in one sitting!

[chabazite]

. I worked out that a Lost-a-thon would last 76 hours, easily achievable in one sitting!
Admirably fanatical. I approve.

[ninjaslave]

And agreed that there will be stuff left out in the end, but I think they have enough episodes left to kinda fill in those gaps, it would be so amazing if they did reveal almost everything because it would just make the whole package alot more enjoyable to watch again and again. I worked out that a Lost-a-thon would last 76 hours, easily achievable in one sitting!
76 hour lost-a-thon, count me in. i might need a few blunts tho. i for one think that there will def. be a spin off

[chabazite]

And agreed that there will be stuff left out in the end, but I think they have enough episodes left to kinda fill in those gaps, it would be so amazing if they did reveal almost everything because it would just make the whole package alot more enjoyable to watch again and again. I worked out that a Lost-a-thon would last 76 hours, easily achievable in one sitting!
76 hour lost-a-thon, count me in. i might need a few blunts tho. i for one think that there will def. be a spin off
I actually would be very, very surprised if they did a spin off. At the very most they'll leave enough to make a movie, but even that would surprise me. I think that what they are doing here with this show is something that in the end would be hurt if they attempted to extend the magic.

[ninjaslave]

And agreed that there will be stuff left out in the end, but I think they have enough episodes left to kinda fill in those gaps, it would be so amazing if they did reveal almost everything because it would just make the whole package alot more enjoyable to watch again and again. I worked out that a Lost-a-thon would last 76 hours, easily achievable in one sitting!
76 hour lost-a-thon, count me in. i might need a few blunts tho. i for one think that there will def. be a spin off
I actually would be very, very surprised if they did a spin off. At the very most they'll leave enough to make a movie, but even that would surprise me. I think that what they are doing here with this show is something that in the end would be hurt if they attempted to extend the magic.
yeah that would be ideal to protect the integrity, but there is just too much money in it for these hollywood asses to let fall thru, granted a spin off may be on Sci-Fi or something.

[chabazite]

76 hour lost-a-thon, count me in. i might need a few blunts tho. i for one think that there will def. be a spin off
I actually would be very, very surprised if they did a spin off. At the very most they'll leave enough to make a movie, but even that would surprise me. I think that what they are doing here with this show is something that in the end would be hurt if they attempted to extend the magic.
yeah that would be ideal to protect the integrity, but there is just too much money in it for these hollywood asses to let fall thru, granted a spin off may be on Sci-Fi or something.
Oh god ONLY a major motion picture if anything. SciFi will bugger it all to hell and back and then leave it incomplete.

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